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Just wow. Good for Apple! I DO want IOS to remain a walled garden as such. Look how many clicks those pesky do good gov regulators have a cost the world with th

Just wow. Good for Apple! I DO want IOS to remain a walled garden as such. Look how many clicks those pesky do good gov regulators have a cost the world with those annoying "Yes I accept your damn cookies and privacy policy" on every website I visit. Writing apps for IOS is a completely voluntary job where you know the terms before you start. Don't like it? Don't write it -or- just pass on the cost to the consumers. Quit complaining about the noise when you bought a house next to an airport.

snapcaster 3y ago
I agree, all these moves to open iOS are from some of the biggest pushers of enshittification. The walled garden is great for me, and all sideloading will do is open up new attack vectors for me (and more importantly, the tech ignorant people i care about). I understand the corporate actors pushing for this out of self interest, but all of the bystanders cheering this on annoy me. You already have android, linux phones, etc. etc. Can't you just leave us alone in our walled garden and stick with android or linux or whatever?
- boolemancer 3y ago
  How does opening up the walled garden impact you if you never side load anything?
  - LtWorf 3y ago
    It's the same for people who want homosexuality to be forbidden. It's not enough for themselves to not be homosexual, they also have to force their faith onto others.
    - nozzlegear 3y ago
      This is a ridiculous analogy. Surely you can acknowledge that there may be some kind of security concern – warranted or not – for opening up sideloading on iOS, without casting aspersions on the GP being some kind of closeted bigot.
      - LtWorf 3y ago
        "It might be dangerous to be gay. You can catch an STD. Hence it should be forbidden."
    - snapcaster 3y ago
      Come on man, is this really a good faith interpretation of what I said? You will recognize that this feature means widening the attack surface for no value (if you're not sideloading apps)
      - LtWorf 3y ago
        If you are not sideloading apps, your attack surface is unchanged.
        snapcaster 3y ago
        So it's impossible for that mechanism to be insecure? There is a 0% chance it could be exploited to load software onto my phone? There is a 0% border guards at a country won't make me install an app to come into the country? I can understand you valuing tradeoffs different from me but not acknowledging that there is any risk (when it's already shown to be a risk on android) just comes off as zealotry or bad faith
        LtWorf 3y ago
        iphones got pwned at least 4 times in 2023 via iMessage. And yet I don't see you commenting that iMessage must be removed.
- LtWorf 3y ago
  I like how you appropriate a word coined by someone with a completely opposed point of view to your own. Just kidding. I don't like it. Live and let live man. Nobody is forcing you to install anything you don't want. Don't impose your preferences on others. It does no damage to you.
  - snapcaster 3y ago
    It likely won't since I'm technologically sophisticated, but it likely will do damage to people I care about
    - LtWorf 3y ago
      Install parent mode on their devices if they need a parent.
Drakim 3y ago
> Look how many clicks those pesky do good gov regulators have a cost the world with those annoying "Yes I accept your damn cookies and privacy policy" on every website I visit. That is a form of malicious compliance that the websites do in order to make you angry at the regulators rather than at them.
- roamerz 3y ago
  Cause and effect. The why’s matter not to me, the end user.
- doublepg23 3y ago
  If cookie pop-ups are not the intent of the law why does the EU website use them? https://european-union.europa.eu/index_en https://european-union.europa.eu/index_en
  - LtWorf 3y ago
    You can't distinguish a popup from a banner on the bottom? I hope you aren't a designer :D
- IshKebab 3y ago
  You're missing the point. The EU should have foreseen that obvious consequence and written the law so that it couldn't happen. (Obvious because it was already happening with their previous dumb cookie law.)

snapcaster 3y ago

I agree, all these moves to open iOS are from some of the biggest pushers of enshittification. The walled garden is great for me, and all sideloading will do is open up new attack vectors for me (and more importantly, the tech ignorant people i care about). I understand the corporate actors pushing for this out of self interest, but all of the bystanders cheering this on annoy me. You already have android, linux phones, etc. etc. Can't you just leave us alone in our walled garden and stick with android or linux or whatever?

boolemancer 3y ago
How does opening up the walled garden impact you if you never side load anything?
- LtWorf 3y ago
  It's the same for people who want homosexuality to be forbidden. It's not enough for themselves to not be homosexual, they also have to force their faith onto others.
  - nozzlegear 3y ago
    This is a ridiculous analogy. Surely you can acknowledge that there may be some kind of security concern – warranted or not – for opening up sideloading on iOS, without casting aspersions on the GP being some kind of closeted bigot.
    - LtWorf 3y ago
      "It might be dangerous to be gay. You can catch an STD. Hence it should be forbidden."
  - snapcaster 3y ago
    Come on man, is this really a good faith interpretation of what I said? You will recognize that this feature means widening the attack surface for no value (if you're not sideloading apps)
    - LtWorf 3y ago
      If you are not sideloading apps, your attack surface is unchanged.
      - snapcaster 3y ago
        So it's impossible for that mechanism to be insecure? There is a 0% chance it could be exploited to load software onto my phone? There is a 0% border guards at a country won't make me install an app to come into the country? I can understand you valuing tradeoffs different from me but not acknowledging that there is any risk (when it's already shown to be a risk on android) just comes off as zealotry or bad faith
        LtWorf 3y ago
        iphones got pwned at least 4 times in 2023 via iMessage. And yet I don't see you commenting that iMessage must be removed.
LtWorf 3y ago
I like how you appropriate a word coined by someone with a completely opposed point of view to your own. Just kidding. I don't like it. Live and let live man. Nobody is forcing you to install anything you don't want. Don't impose your preferences on others. It does no damage to you.
- snapcaster 3y ago
  It likely won't since I'm technologically sophisticated, but it likely will do damage to people I care about
  - LtWorf 3y ago
    Install parent mode on their devices if they need a parent.

Drakim 3y ago

> Look how many clicks those pesky do good gov regulators have a cost the world with those annoying "Yes I accept your damn cookies and privacy policy" on every website I visit. That is a form of malicious compliance that the websites do in order to make you angry at the regulators rather than at them.

roamerz 3y ago
Cause and effect. The why’s matter not to me, the end user.
doublepg23 3y ago
If cookie pop-ups are not the intent of the law why does the EU website use them? https://european-union.europa.eu/index_en https://european-union.europa.eu/index_en
- LtWorf 3y ago
  You can't distinguish a popup from a banner on the bottom? I hope you aren't a designer :D
IshKebab 3y ago
You're missing the point. The EU should have foreseen that obvious consequence and written the law so that it couldn't happen. (Obvious because it was already happening with their previous dumb cookie law.)