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It's a chicken-and-egg problem. Best I can do is encourage more people to write more Python software, so those crappy free hosts are more inclined to support r

• joering2 14y ago
  "crappy free hosts" ?
• espeed 14y ago
  Don't mess with "crappy free hosts" -- just run it on a free Heroku dyno (http://www.heroku.com/pricing http://www.heroku.com/pricing). Kenneth (http://kennethreitz.com http://kennethreitz.com) shows you can get good performance with Flask on the free dyno (http://flask.pocoo.org/mailinglist/archive/2012/2/22/flask-on-heroku-%2B-gunicorn-static-files/#cff05916ae6854557b93d0226cb87151 http://flask.pocoo.org/mailinglist/archive/2012/2/22/flask-o...).
  • eli 14y ago
    That's a fair bit more involved than "FTP files to my web host and they usually just work"
    • espeed 14y ago
      It's actually easier... $ git push heroku master
      • eli 14y ago
        Sure, well I would hope it's easy to do a one line deploy to any platform and with any language... once you set it up. You left out freezing requirements for pip, setting up cedar, etc. Nothing like that for a simple PHP app. I don't want to overstate the case; deploying Flask isn't hard, but deploying PHP is stupidly easy.
      • mkopinsky 14y ago
        As a Mercurial user who doesn't feel like learning git just for the sake of deploying toy Python apps, can anyone comment on whether hg-git or the like is a reasonable way of deploying to heroku?
        • kenneth_reitz 14y ago
          It would add a bit of overhead, but you can certainly have mercurial at the center of your workflow via gh-git, yes.
      • mwexler 14y ago
        Of course, this assumes you are using Git in the first place, or are willing to learn it. Most folks already have FTP/ssh down pat, so git is a big jump from just copying files.
      • CJefferson 14y ago
        That is obviously not sufficent. For using PHP I literally have to tell people to open an ftp GUI client and drag+drop a folder, or do something like: sftp -r website user@host: So, what is the full "this is how you use heroku" I can send to a windows user, who knows HTML and wants to just get started with 'hello world'.
        • espeed 14y ago
          See the Heroku Quickstart: https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/quickstart https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/quickstart Essentially you sign up for a Heroku account (https://api.heroku.com/signup https://api.heroku.com/signup), and set up the Heroku "toolbelt" (https://toolbelt.heroku.com https://toolbelt.heroku.com). Once that's done, you can run this bash script (https://gist.github.com/2622850 https://gist.github.com/2622850) to create and deploy a "hello world" Flask app on Heroku: $ heroku login $ bash setup.sh helloworld $ cd helloworld $ git push heroku master It should return a live Web URL for your app: http://strong-stream-5848.herokuapp.com deployed to Heroku See the Heroku Python tutorial (https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/python https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/python) for details.
          • eli 14y ago
            Compared to deploying Hello World in PHP, that's a lot of work.
            • eevee 14y ago
              I guess that's true, but you know... so what? Can't we worry more about building something cool than about shaving seconds off the one-time setup cost involved with sharing that cool thing with the world?
            • jlgreco 14y ago
              And compared to putting down the window in my car, turning on the AC is a lot of work. Two buttons and a dial compared to just one button. One is clearly superior to the other though and anyone going near a car should have zero difficulty with either...
      • raverbashing 14y ago
        You can't have 'git' and 'easier' on the same phrase Or maybe you can: Hg is easier than Git Now, I don't hate git, I love git, but you're seriously overestimating the knowledge of most of the programmers. Git for lots of people feels like being thrown in a plane cockpit and asked to fly the darn thing. And this is seriously something Heroku needs to think about. Sure, for now, it's still mostly early adopters. But I really wouldn't like to tie my production servers to a specific VCS. Compare this with drag-and-drop of php files to their ftp server.
  • will_work4tears 14y ago
    There is also Google App Engine, the free tier is fairly generous as well.