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I'm a little surprised this framework hasn't gotten more mindshare. I've found it pretty easy to grok and work with. Seems right now everyone is under Spring'

I'm a little surprised this framework hasn't gotten more mindshare. I've found it pretty easy to grok and work with. Seems right now everyone is under Spring's "boot", if you'll pardon the pun.

BossingAround 3y ago
It's either Spring, or Java EE's way (together with the new Jakarta EE paradigm, which is actually pretty cool if you ask me). I've seen the latter a lot more in the enterprise sphere.
- arunix 3y ago
  What is cool about the new Jakarta EE paradigm?
- zokier 3y ago
  Jakarta EE was purely a rebrand of Java EE, what do you mean new paradigm?
  - ysleepy 3y ago
    https://microprofile.io/ https://microprofile.io/
    - fuzztester 3y ago
      >MicroProfile >Optimizing Enterprise Java for a Microservices Architecture Captain Kirk: When the spaceship nears colossal planet Enterprise, two kinds of developers on board will be revealed: - those who jetpack enthusiastically down to the planet (their Buzzwordite (TM) foam resumes will softpad their landing) - and those who retrorocket desperately away, seeking lean, mean, computing machines Spock: Logical flaw - you forgot off-by-one errors.
    - zokier 3y ago
      MP is distinctly not part of Jakarta EE; it's developed by separate independent group. This presentation attempts to clear up the confusion https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1wVaGJssQKPDSRcgRSE52mmm2Lb55THyUc_dGj7F5SAg/edit#slide=id.gcc4d734dd8_1_4 https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1wVaGJssQKPDSRcgRSE52... Yes, its a mess.
adamredwoods 3y ago
Years ago when I was investigating Spring and Java EE, I was taken aback by how much additional work was involved. Not only do some tutorials only show how to install through Java's dedicated IDE, but also deciding on which application server to use, which adds another layer of technical decisions and slows down the process of "quickly testing" frameworks. Javelin breaks free of that. Excellent stuff!
- reactordev 3y ago
  @SpringBootApplication was all you needed on top of a main class. The biggest issue is somewhere along the Spring -> Pivotal -> VMWare -> Spring hot potato, their tutorials and documentation fell off a cliff. Everything became “just use initializer…”
- StevePerkins 3y ago
  If you were "deciding which application server to use", then that WAS "years ago" indeed! The paradigm shifted, from applications being deployed to a server such as Weblogic or Websphere, to applications bundling their own HTTP server like Node or Golang. This shift happened around 15 years ago. Modern Java development looks almost nothing like it did back in that era.
  - bbkane 3y ago
    Do you have any good Modern Java web dev links you could drop?
reactordev 3y ago
Micronaut has a share of the space too. https://micronaut.io/ https://micronaut.io/ However, you’re right that Spring Boot has the lions share of the Java ecosystem.
- therealdrag0 3y ago
  I’ve also heard a number of folks getting into Vert.x. Tho I’ve never used it and didn’t know how it compares.
  - reactordev 3y ago
    Vert.x has always struggled with mind share. People try it but I have yet to hear of anyone sticking with it.
ohnonotagainnnn 3y ago
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I'm a little surprised this framework hasn't gotten more mindshare. I've found it pretty easy to grok and work with. Seems right now everyone is under Spring's "boot", if you'll pardon the pun.

BossingAround 3y ago

It's either Spring, or Java EE's way (together with the new Jakarta EE paradigm, which is actually pretty cool if you ask me). I've seen the latter a lot more in the enterprise sphere.

arunix 3y ago
What is cool about the new Jakarta EE paradigm?
zokier 3y ago
Jakarta EE was purely a rebrand of Java EE, what do you mean new paradigm?
- ysleepy 3y ago
  https://microprofile.io/ https://microprofile.io/
  - fuzztester 3y ago
    >MicroProfile >Optimizing Enterprise Java for a Microservices Architecture Captain Kirk: When the spaceship nears colossal planet Enterprise, two kinds of developers on board will be revealed: - those who jetpack enthusiastically down to the planet (their Buzzwordite (TM) foam resumes will softpad their landing) - and those who retrorocket desperately away, seeking lean, mean, computing machines Spock: Logical flaw - you forgot off-by-one errors.
  - zokier 3y ago
    MP is distinctly not part of Jakarta EE; it's developed by separate independent group. This presentation attempts to clear up the confusion https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1wVaGJssQKPDSRcgRSE52mmm2Lb55THyUc_dGj7F5SAg/edit#slide=id.gcc4d734dd8_1_4 https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1wVaGJssQKPDSRcgRSE52... Yes, its a mess.

adamredwoods 3y ago

Years ago when I was investigating Spring and Java EE, I was taken aback by how much additional work was involved. Not only do some tutorials only show how to install through Java's dedicated IDE, but also deciding on which application server to use, which adds another layer of technical decisions and slows down the process of "quickly testing" frameworks. Javelin breaks free of that. Excellent stuff!

reactordev 3y ago
@SpringBootApplication was all you needed on top of a main class. The biggest issue is somewhere along the Spring -> Pivotal -> VMWare -> Spring hot potato, their tutorials and documentation fell off a cliff. Everything became “just use initializer…”
StevePerkins 3y ago
If you were "deciding which application server to use", then that WAS "years ago" indeed! The paradigm shifted, from applications being deployed to a server such as Weblogic or Websphere, to applications bundling their own HTTP server like Node or Golang. This shift happened around 15 years ago. Modern Java development looks almost nothing like it did back in that era.
- bbkane 3y ago
  Do you have any good Modern Java web dev links you could drop?

reactordev 3y ago

Micronaut has a share of the space too. https://micronaut.io/ https://micronaut.io/ However, you’re right that Spring Boot has the lions share of the Java ecosystem.

therealdrag0 3y ago
I’ve also heard a number of folks getting into Vert.x. Tho I’ve never used it and didn’t know how it compares.
- reactordev 3y ago
  Vert.x has always struggled with mind share. People try it but I have yet to hear of anyone sticking with it.

ohnonotagainnnn 3y ago

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