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Most of them are though. People can’t get off their phones, they’re addicted. Every time I see a car swerving in front of me and I pass, they’re on their phone.

Most of them are though. People can’t get off their phones, they’re addicted. Every time I see a car swerving in front of me and I pass, they’re on their phone. We have to figure out self driving cars because humans can’t disconnect and focus on their multi-ton vehicle.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
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- konschubert 3y ago
  Those deaths I heard about in the past year were all due to careless car drivers. Maybe it's different in the US.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    You might want to look into the, more deeply. Anti-car advocates (here ant least) are lumping in “high” pedestrians deaths with the cases you are expecting, to inflate their case of an increase due to traditional distracted driving. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the increase in pedestrian deaths corresponds to the same timeline as the current fentanyl epidemic. But you have to go case by case to see where your local increase is coming from.
    - konschubert 3y ago
      I see your point but I am not sure where you are going with this? Even if only 50% of the pedestrians killed were sober - isn't that enough of a crisis to act? 1500 children younger than 14 years died in traffic in the US in 2021. https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/overview/age-group-comparisons/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20the%20number%20of,vary%20by%20type%20of%20crash https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/overview/age-group....
      - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        It’s the difference between saying “the crisis is getting worse!” And “we have a new crisis to deal with!” Also, understanding the components of the problem lead to you know, figuring out how to fix it, eg: https://www.kuow.org/stories/pedestrian-deaths-climb-in-seattle-despite-city-s-pledge-to-eliminate-them https://www.kuow.org/stories/pedestrian-deaths-climb-in-seat... I said this many times in other posts lately, but if Americans wanted to get serious about this problem, they would need a multi-faceted approach like the Dutch rather than just hoping drivers do the right thing (without focusing on road redesigns or pedestrian behavior also).
nicbou 3y ago
You see even more as a motorcyclist because you have a direct view into vehicles. In Germany it's honestly not that bad, but a lot of people text as red lights.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

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konschubert 3y ago
Those deaths I heard about in the past year were all due to careless car drivers. Maybe it's different in the US.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  You might want to look into the, more deeply. Anti-car advocates (here ant least) are lumping in “high” pedestrians deaths with the cases you are expecting, to inflate their case of an increase due to traditional distracted driving. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the increase in pedestrian deaths corresponds to the same timeline as the current fentanyl epidemic. But you have to go case by case to see where your local increase is coming from.
  - konschubert 3y ago
    I see your point but I am not sure where you are going with this? Even if only 50% of the pedestrians killed were sober - isn't that enough of a crisis to act? 1500 children younger than 14 years died in traffic in the US in 2021. https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/overview/age-group-comparisons/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20the%20number%20of,vary%20by%20type%20of%20crash https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/overview/age-group....
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      It’s the difference between saying “the crisis is getting worse!” And “we have a new crisis to deal with!” Also, understanding the components of the problem lead to you know, figuring out how to fix it, eg: https://www.kuow.org/stories/pedestrian-deaths-climb-in-seattle-despite-city-s-pledge-to-eliminate-them https://www.kuow.org/stories/pedestrian-deaths-climb-in-seat... I said this many times in other posts lately, but if Americans wanted to get serious about this problem, they would need a multi-faceted approach like the Dutch rather than just hoping drivers do the right thing (without focusing on road redesigns or pedestrian behavior also).

nicbou 3y ago

You see even more as a motorcyclist because you have a direct view into vehicles. In Germany it's honestly not that bad, but a lot of people text as red lights.