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Lock up the people calling in the fake threats, of course. But there also has to be a conversation about how anyone can summon armed men to anyone else’s house.
by kweingar 3y ago
Lock up the people calling in the fake threats, of course. But there also has to be a conversation about how anyone can summon armed men to anyone else’s house. Seems like it’s a bad enough problem that police departments should reconsider how they respond.
Police departments will of course respond that all of this is necessary as a precaution, but at a certain point it’s unsustainable and produces worse outcomes.
- wmf 3y agoUsually the police put you on the do not SWAT list after a few times. One may wonder what's going on in this city.
- dzhiurgis 3y ago> One may wonder what's going on in this city. They really loved Norm
- mingus88 3y agoSeriously, the article cites one example of four times in a single day On one hand, you’d hope the cops stop busting down doors with guns drawn after the first time On the other hand maybe the exploit is to swat some place twice then you can attack the residence for real to avoid the heat
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- dylan604 3y ago> Seriously, the article cites one example of four times in a single day Which religion says that you keep coming back until you get things right? Maybe SWAT is a practitioner.
- vkou 3y ago> On the other hand maybe the exploit is to swat some place twice then you can attack the residence for real to avoid the heat If you actually want to attack a residence and kill everyone in it, the police aren't going to stop you. They'll arrive long after the fact. And if you wanted to get away with it, calling three prank SWAT calls in first is hardly going to improve the odds of it.
- madaxe_again 3y agoI can almost guarantee KPIs are what’s going on. Each time they’re called out on a fake incident, they get to call it a successful resolution as a result of deploying their swat team. This then gives them an end of year that says “swat is highly effective in resolving situations”, which then allows a budgetary increase and more gear for the swat team. Rinse and repeat.
- e40 3y agoI have been reading this thread for far too long, and this is the best comment. The one that explains my vast confusion as to why it could happen 47 times to one address.
- phone8675309 3y agoIncompetence is going on in this city. The police here only know three things - no knock raid with automatic weapons, not pulling over reckless drivers, and shooting unarmed black men. That is all they do.
- ryandrake 3y agoCan I please put myself on this Do Not SWAT list? I’d be interested in putting myself on a Do Not Help list, too, if possible. Any police interaction brings with it a small probability of a deadly outcome. Would be nice to be able to opt out of their “help.”
- throwaway11460 3y agoHow do they know it's you?
- rightbyte 3y agoYou walk to the station in person and say "please no armed officers in my house" I guess.
- throwaway11460 3y agoHow do they know it's you in the house? What if you took somebody there? What if somebody else is using your house? Seems like just the thing to do before I drag someone into my basement. "Hey officers, my house is off limits, cya"
- rightbyte 3y agoWhat if. I don't think I ever want armed officers rushing in into my house no matter what scenario I'm in. If they can't observe a crime but still wont dare knock on my door, like, go home please?
- throwaway11460 3y agoIt's not about you.
- minor_e_celeb 3y agoDespite was sovern citizens may say, you can not opt-out of police services in the U.S. If you're well known on the Internet, let your local polic department know you may be targeted with swatting. It's worked for people in the past to soften the response. If you haven't already been swatted it's unlikely your profile is such that you'd be tarted.
- tacocataco 3y agoOvertime pay.
- pixl97 3y ago>Lock up the people calling in the fake threats, And if the people calling in fake threats are doing so over hacked VOIP? It's not really like the old days where a phone meant you were somewhere in particular. The particular elephant in the room is it is the cops get called to hundreds of locations (per department) per year that are actual violent confrontations, with domestic abuse being the most common type. That huge numbers of Americans are armed doesn't help the situation any.
- plagiarist 3y agoLock up the people responsible at the companies allowing anonymous VOIP calls to 911. If the ultimately responsible party is overseas or untraceable, the company at the end of what was able to be traced assumes responsibility.
- ipaddr 3y agoYou realize a payphone allows 911 calls for free.
- gmerc 3y agoa pay phone has a location. You can look at cameras around that. They also barley exist anymore
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- ipaddr 3y agoLol. I am one of those who still remembers a dime. Paperboxes. Magazines. Smoking in supermarkets, doctor offices, etc. When smoking move out of bars most bars seemed to close.
- kelnos 3y ago> When smoking move out of bars most bars seemed to close. Pretty good outcome, IMO. If you can't make money without giving all your customers cancer, even if they don't smoke... maybe you shouldn't be in business.
- plagiarist 3y agoPolice departments reconsidering how they respond would mean fewer chances to play as action movie stars with all that army surplus gear.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 3y agoAlmost 20 years ago I got to talking to a sheriff in Texas who lamented that no one ever showed up to the boring important domestic disturbance calls. But when there was a call where there was even a slight chance a Taser could be deployed the squad cars were lined up in droves.
- rixed 3y agoThis is so obviously the actual issue here, that I'm surprised this is coming up so late on this thread. You have to be an American whose nose is rubbed down in violence to not see it.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoThey do it through VPNs and VOIP providers which is part of the problem. It takes them a long time.
- sidewndr46 3y agoWhy? Police aren't required in the US to respond at all. Much less to respond in a way you find agreeable.
- advael 3y agoSo I'm confused here. The poster you're responding to here says "this shouldn't work the way that it currently does" and your response is "this currently does work that way"? Like are you saying a change in police response policy is self-evidently impossible? If not, what are you trying to say?
- sidewndr46 3y agoWhy would a group that holds power ever relinquish that power? It's also a misunderstanding in the US that police service the public. Police serve the government and exist to protect the governments interests.
- advael 3y agoOstensibly a government service is supposed to be modifiable by the will of the electorate or someone representing it. Of course we don't expect them to relinquish power voluntarily. When people propose changing policy to modify how an organization behaves, they generally do not mean by asking them nicely to please do it differently
- sidewndr46 3y agoYou just accurately summarized why "a conversation" won't result in any change around this.
- dylan604 3y agoTell them they are going to start executing the donuts every 15 minutes unless they get a bus to the airport with a fully fueled plane ready