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Meta isn't creating a market, rather instead a hole in which they've dumped 30+ billion dollars into with nothing to show for it. Apple's VR is nothing new and

by AmVess 3y ago

Meta isn't creating a market, rather instead a hole in which they've dumped 30+ billion dollars into with nothing to show for it. Apple's VR is nothing new and will also fail.

DANmode 3y ago
Accusing Meta of not being able to set trends is fair. But Apple?! Bit off more than you could chew, there, I think.
- cubefox 3y ago
  Meta has sold far more VR headsets than all other the other brands combined. Unlike Apple's headset, they also have a clear use case, a "killer feature": VR games. Something you can't have without VR. Apple seems to just offer somewhat improved(?) experiences for watching TV and working with multiple monitors.
  - IshKebab 3y ago
    Yeah I 100% agree. No matter how impressive AVP is, it's still clearly worse than just a normal laptop/TV. You can do all the same things but just more painfully and at lower quality. Quest games make much more sense because it's a completely different thing to non-VR games. You can't just say "well I'll play beatsabre on my laptop". That said, they seem to be losing money hand over fist anyway.
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      Honestly you could though. Beat saber has basically nothing in it that couldn’t have been done with a Kinect (sp?) or a wii.
      - cubefox 3y ago
        They could have made such a third-person game -- if those systems did still exist.
- pquki4 3y ago
  Maybe read a few comments here and try to understand the reasoning instead of just riding on the hype train and automatically assume Apple will succeed in every endeavor.
jayd16 3y ago
They spent a lot but they have about 20 million units sold which is pretty close to the latest Xbox generation. Content wise they have a lot of defacto exclusives. I wouldn't call that nothing.
- PKop 3y ago
  I would call it less than nothing given it's not profitable[0][1] until there's evidence of pay off in future earnings from content and the operating losses are overcome. [0] https://xrdailynews.com/quest-3-bom-production-costs-revealed/ https://xrdailynews.com/quest-3-bom-production-costs-reveale... [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/19/vr-market-shrinking-as-meta-pours-billions-of-dollars-into-metaverse.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/19/vr-market-shrinking-as-meta-...

by AmVess 3y ago

Meta isn't creating a market, rather instead a hole in which they've dumped 30+ billion dollars into with nothing to show for it. Apple's VR is nothing new and will also fail.

DANmode 3y ago

Accusing Meta of not being able to set trends is fair. But Apple?! Bit off more than you could chew, there, I think.

cubefox 3y ago
Meta has sold far more VR headsets than all other the other brands combined. Unlike Apple's headset, they also have a clear use case, a "killer feature": VR games. Something you can't have without VR. Apple seems to just offer somewhat improved(?) experiences for watching TV and working with multiple monitors.
- IshKebab 3y ago
  Yeah I 100% agree. No matter how impressive AVP is, it's still clearly worse than just a normal laptop/TV. You can do all the same things but just more painfully and at lower quality. Quest games make much more sense because it's a completely different thing to non-VR games. You can't just say "well I'll play beatsabre on my laptop". That said, they seem to be losing money hand over fist anyway.
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    Honestly you could though. Beat saber has basically nothing in it that couldn’t have been done with a Kinect (sp?) or a wii.
    - cubefox 3y ago
      They could have made such a third-person game -- if those systems did still exist.
pquki4 3y ago
Maybe read a few comments here and try to understand the reasoning instead of just riding on the hype train and automatically assume Apple will succeed in every endeavor.

jayd16 3y ago

They spent a lot but they have about 20 million units sold which is pretty close to the latest Xbox generation. Content wise they have a lot of defacto exclusives. I wouldn't call that nothing.

PKop 3y ago
I would call it less than nothing given it's not profitable[0][1] until there's evidence of pay off in future earnings from content and the operating losses are overcome. [0] https://xrdailynews.com/quest-3-bom-production-costs-revealed/ https://xrdailynews.com/quest-3-bom-production-costs-reveale... [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/19/vr-market-shrinking-as-meta-pours-billions-of-dollars-into-metaverse.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/19/vr-market-shrinking-as-meta-...