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I'm actually kind of surprised Reddit didn't just cooperate? As a company which frankly has been acting with particular contempt for users of late, how does Red

I'm actually kind of surprised Reddit didn't just cooperate? As a company which frankly has been acting with particular contempt for users of late, how does Reddit profit from fighting this?

rPlayer6554 3y ago
People like their anonymity on Reddit. Every action reddit takes to make it less anonymous looks really bad. That kind of thing scares people and reddit already has some PR problems.
- aydyn 3y ago
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kossTKR 3y ago
If word spread that Reddit would name people writing specific comments about various "controversial" topics i think millions would flee? The entire spirit of Reddit is because of anonymity, from askreddit, to intimate questions, to political talk. Also there's lots of lying, fantasy, larping and fiction.
bastawhiz 3y ago
On the flip side, what's in it for them if they cooperate? There's no profit involved with procuring information for another for-profit entity that they have no business relationship with, and then likely having to show up for some other court battle to testify about the accuracy of the data.
- Wowfunhappy 3y ago
  > On the flip side, what's in it for them if they cooperate? My thinking was, cooperating would mean they don't have to go to court, which costs money... > and then likely having to show up for some other court battle to testify about the accuracy of the data. ...I suppose that could potentially cancel out the savings. However, I would expect testifying to cost much less money than being sued!
  - bastawhiz 3y ago
    If you get sued and it turns out to be bullshit, there are potentially ways to recoup your legal costs.
  - tcmart14 3y ago
    Or if you do it once, then the film industry expects and requests for you to do it all the time, maybe? This is me just spit balling. If pulling this data costs m, then its m * number of request indefinitely. m is lower than the cost of a lawsuit over a sufficient number of requests. Where as, Reddit eats a lot of cost up front to try to prevent the film industry from racking up costs constantly requesting this information. And it perhaps bleed outside of the film industry. If they capitulate to film, then music might be next, followed by game studios, followed by software companies.
- saghm 3y ago
  Not to mention the fact that in recent memory, they've already had to contend with the threat of a mass exodus of users due to unhappiness with how the site was run. Whether or not it ended up making any sort of impact in the long run, I have to imagine that their management has no desire to risk that sort of controversy again.
jtriangle 3y ago
It'd probably reveal how many of their users are actually bots, which would hurt their upcoming IPO valuation.
cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
I think that you are unfairly extrapolating from a couple of high-profile decisions that upset, in particular, nerds.
- Wowfunhappy 3y ago
  I think it was a bigger deal than that, but regardless: absent evidence to the contrary, my default assumption is that a for-profit company will prioritize profit at the expense of everything else. Recent events by Reddit merely deepen my conviction.
DANmode 3y ago
Goodwill, for an easy "fight" for a well-funded org with legal people "sitting around" on retainer. Which they can subsequently burn on "more important" or more profitable user betrayals.
thisislife2 3y ago
They are planning an IPO ... so this is good publicity for cheap and helps counter the bad PR they've been receiving from all their actions.
imtringued 3y ago
Cooperate how? Do you think they are going to install LLM based surveillance and then hand check the comments in case the LLM is inaccurate?

I'm actually kind of surprised Reddit didn't just cooperate? As a company which frankly has been acting with particular contempt for users of late, how does Reddit profit from fighting this?

rPlayer6554 3y ago

People like their anonymity on Reddit. Every action reddit takes to make it less anonymous looks really bad. That kind of thing scares people and reddit already has some PR problems.

aydyn 3y ago
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kossTKR 3y ago

If word spread that Reddit would name people writing specific comments about various "controversial" topics i think millions would flee? The entire spirit of Reddit is because of anonymity, from askreddit, to intimate questions, to political talk. Also there's lots of lying, fantasy, larping and fiction.

bastawhiz 3y ago

On the flip side, what's in it for them if they cooperate? There's no profit involved with procuring information for another for-profit entity that they have no business relationship with, and then likely having to show up for some other court battle to testify about the accuracy of the data.

Wowfunhappy 3y ago
> On the flip side, what's in it for them if they cooperate? My thinking was, cooperating would mean they don't have to go to court, which costs money... > and then likely having to show up for some other court battle to testify about the accuracy of the data. ...I suppose that could potentially cancel out the savings. However, I would expect testifying to cost much less money than being sued!
- bastawhiz 3y ago
  If you get sued and it turns out to be bullshit, there are potentially ways to recoup your legal costs.
- tcmart14 3y ago
  Or if you do it once, then the film industry expects and requests for you to do it all the time, maybe? This is me just spit balling. If pulling this data costs m, then its m * number of request indefinitely. m is lower than the cost of a lawsuit over a sufficient number of requests. Where as, Reddit eats a lot of cost up front to try to prevent the film industry from racking up costs constantly requesting this information. And it perhaps bleed outside of the film industry. If they capitulate to film, then music might be next, followed by game studios, followed by software companies.
saghm 3y ago
Not to mention the fact that in recent memory, they've already had to contend with the threat of a mass exodus of users due to unhappiness with how the site was run. Whether or not it ended up making any sort of impact in the long run, I have to imagine that their management has no desire to risk that sort of controversy again.

jtriangle 3y ago

It'd probably reveal how many of their users are actually bots, which would hurt their upcoming IPO valuation.

cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago

I think that you are unfairly extrapolating from a couple of high-profile decisions that upset, in particular, nerds.

Wowfunhappy 3y ago
I think it was a bigger deal than that, but regardless: absent evidence to the contrary, my default assumption is that a for-profit company will prioritize profit at the expense of everything else. Recent events by Reddit merely deepen my conviction.

DANmode 3y ago

Goodwill, for an easy "fight" for a well-funded org with legal people "sitting around" on retainer. Which they can subsequently burn on "more important" or more profitable user betrayals.

thisislife2 3y ago

They are planning an IPO ... so this is good publicity for cheap and helps counter the bad PR they've been receiving from all their actions.

imtringued 3y ago

Cooperate how? Do you think they are going to install LLM based surveillance and then hand check the comments in case the LLM is inaccurate?