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My understanding is that the users in question were talking about piracy or committing piracy on reddit and the movie companies want to get the IPs of those use

My understanding is that the users in question were talking about piracy or committing piracy on reddit and the movie companies want to get the IPs of those users from reddit in order to prove that Frontier isnt terminating people committing piracy. Alternatively, depending on how large the list of users they requested IPs for from reddit is, it could be a fishing expedition to see if any of them happen to belong to frontier

imoverclocked 3y ago
It would be interesting to know if an admission to pirating content on Reddit is actually admissible. I would think it falls under free speech. Eg: someone makes a parody of an old Monty Python song and states, “I’m a pirate and that’s ok.” Should this count in an age where the vast majority of legal notices in this genre are robo-lawyers? Should my internet connection be severed because a guest was bored and posted to Reddit while at my house?
- Drakim 3y ago
  At some point in my life I committed a crime. Here's to hoping that's not enough to have me subpoenaed.
  - hdanirwin 3y ago
    See you in court
- Vt71fcAqt7 3y ago
  I think I get your point but being free speech and being an admission of a crime are not mutually exclusive.
- al_borland 3y ago
  IANAL, but I think free speech is about being jailed for what you say. This is more about admitting to an action that allegedly performed. The speech isn't the problem, it's the action the speech is talking about. I think they'd have a hard time moving forward on that alone. They need some kind of proof, which is what I think they were trying to get. All they can prove is that the person said they got 44 emails, the person could be lying. There is no law against lying on an internet message board.
- thfuran 3y ago
  >I would think it falls under free speech. Yes, admitting to committing a crime is not in and of itself illegal. It does, however, make it a lot more likely you'll be tried and convicted for the crime you admitted to committing.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    Just because the words came out of my mouth or from my finger tips typed into this little text area does not actually mean I did the thing I'm "admitting". I could be saying it for the clout. I could have said it but forgot the /s. I could be an actor performing the dialog. Where's the witness I actually typed it? Even if there is video, it's all fake news from an AI deep fake. Believe none of what your read or hear, and only half of what you see. Or some such.
    - thfuran 3y ago
      I'm not sure what your point is. Nobody (in the us) is shipping people straight to prison on the basis of public admissions of guilt. You still shouldn't publicly admit to a crime.
      - dylan604 3y ago
        Just pointing out how ridiculous some post on a forum being used as evidence sounds.
        thfuran 3y ago
        The most ridiculous part was where you suggested that witness testimony was authoritative.
        hsbauauvhabzb 3y ago
        For piracy yea, but what about something more extreme like murder?
        3y ago
- naasking 3y ago
  > It would be interesting to know if an admission to pirating content on Reddit is actually admissible. The problem here is tying the account to a real person. Technically anyone could be using that account, his daughter, brother, wife, etc., just like anyone could be behind the wheel of your car if it's used to commit a crime.
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
    > Technically anyone could be using that account Not just the account but the internet service as well. Even if they get the IP addresses for the reddit posts, and they're Frontier IPs, it's still possible that the person who wrote the post submitted it/logged in/created their account over a loved one's home network.
    - k12sosse 3y ago
      Just create an open wifi network and throttle it down to 1kbpm, plausible deniability!
mox1 3y ago
This is correct, the Reddit poster(s) in question were discussing how lax Frontier was about Copyright strikes. The movie company presumably wanted to have that person testify about said lax policy in court.

imoverclocked 3y ago

It would be interesting to know if an admission to pirating content on Reddit is actually admissible. I would think it falls under free speech. Eg: someone makes a parody of an old Monty Python song and states, “I’m a pirate and that’s ok.” Should this count in an age where the vast majority of legal notices in this genre are robo-lawyers? Should my internet connection be severed because a guest was bored and posted to Reddit while at my house?

Drakim 3y ago
At some point in my life I committed a crime. Here's to hoping that's not enough to have me subpoenaed.
- hdanirwin 3y ago
  See you in court
Vt71fcAqt7 3y ago
I think I get your point but being free speech and being an admission of a crime are not mutually exclusive.
al_borland 3y ago
IANAL, but I think free speech is about being jailed for what you say. This is more about admitting to an action that allegedly performed. The speech isn't the problem, it's the action the speech is talking about. I think they'd have a hard time moving forward on that alone. They need some kind of proof, which is what I think they were trying to get. All they can prove is that the person said they got 44 emails, the person could be lying. There is no law against lying on an internet message board.
thfuran 3y ago
>I would think it falls under free speech. Yes, admitting to committing a crime is not in and of itself illegal. It does, however, make it a lot more likely you'll be tried and convicted for the crime you admitted to committing.
- dylan604 3y ago
  Just because the words came out of my mouth or from my finger tips typed into this little text area does not actually mean I did the thing I'm "admitting". I could be saying it for the clout. I could have said it but forgot the /s. I could be an actor performing the dialog. Where's the witness I actually typed it? Even if there is video, it's all fake news from an AI deep fake. Believe none of what your read or hear, and only half of what you see. Or some such.
  - thfuran 3y ago
    I'm not sure what your point is. Nobody (in the us) is shipping people straight to prison on the basis of public admissions of guilt. You still shouldn't publicly admit to a crime.
    - dylan604 3y ago
      Just pointing out how ridiculous some post on a forum being used as evidence sounds.
      - thfuran 3y ago
        The most ridiculous part was where you suggested that witness testimony was authoritative.
      - hsbauauvhabzb 3y ago
        For piracy yea, but what about something more extreme like murder?
        3y ago
naasking 3y ago
> It would be interesting to know if an admission to pirating content on Reddit is actually admissible. The problem here is tying the account to a real person. Technically anyone could be using that account, his daughter, brother, wife, etc., just like anyone could be behind the wheel of your car if it's used to commit a crime.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
  > Technically anyone could be using that account Not just the account but the internet service as well. Even if they get the IP addresses for the reddit posts, and they're Frontier IPs, it's still possible that the person who wrote the post submitted it/logged in/created their account over a loved one's home network.
  - k12sosse 3y ago
    Just create an open wifi network and throttle it down to 1kbpm, plausible deniability!

mox1 3y ago

This is correct, the Reddit poster(s) in question were discussing how lax Frontier was about Copyright strikes. The movie company presumably wanted to have that person testify about said lax policy in court.