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> cultural marxists What is a cultural Marxist? I know what a Marxist is. I don’t know what a cultural Marxist is.

walthamstow 3y ago
I believe it's a modern update of Cultural Bolshevism, an old Nazi term for Jewish influence on German culture, movies, etc. It was coined or popularised by Anders Breivik in his manifesto.
- TibbityFlanders 3y ago
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the_optimist 3y ago
It’s simply Marx through cultural influence. All this class and oppressor-oppressed theory, reliably useless and counterproductive nonsense (except for causing the people who embrace it to suffer in a bizarre application of reflexivity, if that’s your bag), falls in this category.
- the_optimist 3y ago
  Let’s just say, if you look at this and say “I don’t understand any of this, I will have to invest more time and maybe talk to some experts,” then this body of work is servicing its intended purpose: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_... Similarly, if you say “got it, how silly of me, this is so obvious,” the construction is also supported.
  - bbor 3y ago
    Can you clarify…? I’m a bit slow. Like, believing that the conspiracy is true? By body of work, do you mean Marx / Frankfurt School, or the anti-cultural Marxism writings?
    - the_optimist 3y ago
      By “body of work,” I reference the wiki piece. Basically, it’s easy to indoctrinate people into this cult of Marx. The way you do that is to foment hatred toward a theoretical enemy and make your cult feel really superior about themselves. You must have a priesthood. The supposed academic theory behind this represents the inner school of the priesthood. It’s not always clear if they’re “in on the joke” or merely indoctrinated, but it is safe to say anyone doing anything other than theft and usurpation based on Marx is not inside the circle.
      - bbor 3y ago
        Thanks for clarifying! You’re a good writer, I hope you know. As someone who grew up with a sickle-shaped milk bottle I disagree, but I’m sure you’re used to that on the internet. If you ever scroll back and find this, I have one refutation/followup/confusion: cultural Marxism isn’t a theory proposed by marxists, it’s a term that anti-marxists used. Eg https://www.breitbart.com/tag/cultural-marxism/ https://www.breitbart.com/tag/cultural-marxism/. So in that context it’s a little justified to have a wiki page on it.
throw310822 3y ago
Can't give you a proper definition (if it exists) but I do see a parallel between the idea of a society shaped by economic class struggles (which will eventually end with a defeat of the current dominant class by the currently oppressed class) and the idea of a society divided in identitarian classes (white, black, man, woman, straight, gay, trans, etc.), and an ongoing struggle between oppressors and oppressed classes. In fact it seems pretty reasonable to infer that identity politics is a descendant- transformed, but still recognisable- of a marxist analysis of society.
bbor 3y ago
It’s a general term people on the right-ish use for what they see as the other side of the culture war. It’s originally an anti-Semitic conspiracy thing, but now it’s so widely used that I think it comes down to something closer to “the deep state” or “the leftist elite”. So I was using it in that sense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_th...

I believe it's a modern update of Cultural Bolshevism, an old Nazi term for Jewish influence on German culture, movies, etc. It was coined or popularised by Anders Breivik in his manifesto.

TibbityFlanders 3y ago
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the_optimist 3y ago

It’s simply Marx through cultural influence. All this class and oppressor-oppressed theory, reliably useless and counterproductive nonsense (except for causing the people who embrace it to suffer in a bizarre application of reflexivity, if that’s your bag), falls in this category.

the_optimist 3y ago
Let’s just say, if you look at this and say “I don’t understand any of this, I will have to invest more time and maybe talk to some experts,” then this body of work is servicing its intended purpose: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_... Similarly, if you say “got it, how silly of me, this is so obvious,” the construction is also supported.
- bbor 3y ago
  Can you clarify…? I’m a bit slow. Like, believing that the conspiracy is true? By body of work, do you mean Marx / Frankfurt School, or the anti-cultural Marxism writings?
  - the_optimist 3y ago
    By “body of work,” I reference the wiki piece. Basically, it’s easy to indoctrinate people into this cult of Marx. The way you do that is to foment hatred toward a theoretical enemy and make your cult feel really superior about themselves. You must have a priesthood. The supposed academic theory behind this represents the inner school of the priesthood. It’s not always clear if they’re “in on the joke” or merely indoctrinated, but it is safe to say anyone doing anything other than theft and usurpation based on Marx is not inside the circle.
    - bbor 3y ago
      Thanks for clarifying! You’re a good writer, I hope you know. As someone who grew up with a sickle-shaped milk bottle I disagree, but I’m sure you’re used to that on the internet. If you ever scroll back and find this, I have one refutation/followup/confusion: cultural Marxism isn’t a theory proposed by marxists, it’s a term that anti-marxists used. Eg https://www.breitbart.com/tag/cultural-marxism/ https://www.breitbart.com/tag/cultural-marxism/. So in that context it’s a little justified to have a wiki page on it.

throw310822 3y ago

Can't give you a proper definition (if it exists) but I do see a parallel between the idea of a society shaped by economic class struggles (which will eventually end with a defeat of the current dominant class by the currently oppressed class) and the idea of a society divided in identitarian classes (white, black, man, woman, straight, gay, trans, etc.), and an ongoing struggle between oppressors and oppressed classes. In fact it seems pretty reasonable to infer that identity politics is a descendant- transformed, but still recognisable- of a marxist analysis of society.

bbor 3y ago

It’s a general term people on the right-ish use for what they see as the other side of the culture war. It’s originally an anti-Semitic conspiracy thing, but now it’s so widely used that I think it comes down to something closer to “the deep state” or “the leftist elite”. So I was using it in that sense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_th...