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Anyone elses company executives losing their shit over GenAI?

57 points by hermitcrab 3y ago

neom 3y ago
I see the opposite problem in a lot of large businesses... "ah, AI is cool but it will never disrupt our space, our work is too complex" - heh, ok buddy.
- seadan83 3y ago
  I'm curious. Would you mind sharing some examples?
spacebanana7 3y ago
> Some exec wakes up one day and has a crazy misguided idea about sticking gen AI somewhere and then asking junior (non DS) devs to build it without DS input Don't really see a problem here - it's quite realistic for junior devs to build something useful out of Ollama/Open AI APIs.
- fieldcny 3y ago
  I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic, or you are just inexperienced
  - llamaLord 3y ago
    By "useful" he means "will make VC's and uninformed investors feel good"... gotta remember, the definition of "useful" is relative.
    - catchnear4321 3y ago
      what’s most useful is how many heads can be removed above the junior level and below the exec level. that’s a lot of cash saved. basically as good as cash earned, when you’re getting funding rounds of cash.
    - spacebanana7 3y ago
      "useful" means something that helps people. Realistic examples of small, useful AI projects a junior dev could do in a sprint: 1) check for spelling/grammar mistakes on company website 2) summarise transcripts of zoom calls 3) scan codebase for misleading comments 4) generate mermaid diagrams from terraform 5) Scan Jira for near-duplicates on a backlog and add a label None of these require data science teams to get involved.
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  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    As a data scientist, there’s basically 0 data science involved in building a small tool out of the api or high level model interfaces.
  - deleted 3y ago
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- 486sx33 3y ago
  This is reality, fortunately or not. How can you change this? Push back about specifics that won’t work, but in large terms. Example. Well we could build that, but in order to monetize it, it would cost xxx monthly which would require a gross sales increase of xxx just to break even. You may not know gross profit margin, but your exec does. So focus on costs along with strong technical reasons as to why something is ridiculous. Programmers hate being asked “how much time will this take”. This needs to be utilized and flipped around - like your crazy ass idea will consume 5000 core programmer hours which will set back the follow priorities and we can’t see a use case.
gmerc 3y ago
At this point the biggest risk for shareholders is that a company CEO cannot answer an AI strategy question in an earnings call. That’s why.
- refurb 3y ago
  Pretty much. I worked at a Fortune 50 company (not tech) and it was hilarious to hear about some random exec who read about a technology and it was suddenly priority #1, mostly because it was the flavor of the month in the industry. Of course it was a tech that many had brought up before (myself included) which had been brushed off. Then it was “pull all nighters and come up some ideas on how we can use this tech”. And it was purely so the CEO wasn’t caught with his/her pants down when talking to investors.
datadrivenangel 3y ago
Gotta be doing then latest and greatest <buzzword>!
skywhopper 3y ago
Execs like this will cause a lot of disruption over the next few years and waste a lot of money adding friction and overhead where it’s not needed, laying off the wrong people, and prioritizing the wrong projects. And as the inherent issues with generative models become apparent, they’ll end up hiring similar people back into new roles and starting new projects to address those problems we’ll move onto the next hype cycle with a lot of wasteful disruption. The main difference from the blockchain and metaverse boondoggles will be the scale, given the endlessly breathless nonsense coverage of how professional humans in every field are now completely expendable. By 2030, we’ll have moved past this but none of the execs or investors will have ever faced any consequences or done any introspection about all the disruption and waste. They’ll be on to the next scam.
- BeFlatXIII 3y ago
  This is why it's so important to become the scammer. Better recurring revenue than traditional business.
giraffe_lady 3y ago
Executives and investors are way more bought into this than recently hyped things like crypto and ar/vr because this one offers the possibility of laying off most of their highly skilled & highly compensated technical staff. We are one of the last solidly middle class professions, we didn't unionize when we could, and they are absolutely foaming at finally maybe having the chance to do to us what they've already done to everyone else.
steve1977 3y ago
Well at least they got over blockchain, so there’s that..:
- ncr100 3y ago
  At least they got over slave labor .. only taking 150 years from 1808 through 1948. (The Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves & United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights) Chasing profit with dubious or outright abandonment of healthy human ethics has been a hallmark of human business, sadly. [Energy draining via blockchain. Absurd re=use of human contributions to knowledge via GenAI.] It is like technology becomes a disruptor. The disruption doesn't have to be so hard. It can be softened. But for the sake of profit, it is not and more people than necessary will be disenfranchised by GenAI.
- LikesPwsh 3y ago
  This will be harder. Blockchain is entirely useless for legal activities, "AI" is broad enough that it includes useful things. E.g. Obscuring copyright breaches is the number one killer app for genAI so far. It's decimated the cottage industry of personal art commissions.
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    Source?
    - LikesPwsh 3y ago
      On killer feature or art commissions?
      - jncfhnb 3y ago
        Art commissions
        LikesPwsh 3y ago
        I had a look and couldn't find a serious journalistic source with numbers to back my personal opinion. Lots of whiny Reddit threads, but only anecdata. My own experience is that Dungeons & Dragons character art can be better (and more personally) created by writing your own stablediffusion prompts than by hiring an artist. I've seen most local tables shift towards that.
pyuser583 3y ago
Massive over utilization as a result of hype. This tech will change the world, but we don’t know how - yet. During the 90s tech boom: * no streaming videos * no ebooks * advertisers hated social media * email cost money * Amazon just sold books * cloud computing wasn’t anywhere near mature * secure internet connections were insanely rare * cell phones were only on tv * identity theft wasn’t a thing * subscription based “walled gardens” like AOL were popular * server side programming was done in C Nobody knows where generative AI will take us. And that’s great!
- randomdata 3y ago
  > no streaming videos Funny, iCraveTV is the 90s 'dot-com' company I remember most. > cell phones were only on tv Perhaps you are referring to an 80s tech boom instead? That's when the "Zack Morris" phone was something for TV. By the 90s tech boom, everyone had a MicroTac. > server side programming was done in C And bash! Hard to imagine now. Although Perl reigned supreme.
- mmh0000 3y ago
  > * no streaming videos RealPlayer, Macromedia Flash & Shockwave were quite popular (and horrible) > * no ebooks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebook#1980s_and_1990s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebook#1980s_and_1990s > * advertisers hated social media The social media user base was tiny and primarily full of antisocial nerds. > * email cost money No, it didn't. > * Amazon just sold books By 1999, Amazon was selling other stuff too. > * cloud computing wasn't anywhere near mature It depends on how you define "mature," I suppose. VPSs, dedicated hardware rentals, and managed services were quite common. > * cell phones were only on TV Having been in high school from ~1996 to 1999, I can say that a good portion of the girls had cell phones. > * identity theft wasn't a thing Identity theft has been a thing since the beginning of the human race. > * Subscription-based "walled gardens" like AOL were popular Almost everyone in the tech community widely mocked AOL. It was "popular" among a small subset of computer users. And to be fair, this was before good search engines. Services like Yahoo! and AOL made it possible to find content easily. > * server side programming was done in C And PERL, and Fortran, and Shell, and .NET language like C#.
greenie_beans 3y ago
i kind of want a job like this. a bunch of bosses who have no idea what i'm doing bc they have no idea what they're doing. i would slack so hard.
- skirmish 3y ago
  And in a few months they pivot to a new obsession (e.g. quantum computing) and fire everybody without a community college course in quantum physics on their resume.
  - greenie_beans 3y ago
    that's fine because during that time i will have slacked on my salaried job and this will give me time to come up with another income stream
  - blooalien 3y ago
    > "and fire everybody without a community college course in quantum physics on their resume" ... And without ten years experience in the shiny new quantum software that was just created last week ... (I've literally seen real actual job postings in the tech industry where the requirements include years of experience in a technology that was just invented.)
not_the_fda 3y ago
I work in design services, there has a been a big up tick in people asking to add "AI" to their product, or asking "can we do this with 'AI' ". Its a meaningless magical box to bill for. Don't get me wrong. Machine learning, decision tress, etc can be useful. The client just want to be able to slap a sticker on that says "AI included"
486sx33 3y ago
I am an executive and I’m pushing back hard against AI. I don’t need a robotic progressive machine telling us what is acceptable or that they are deeply offended. There is something there - but currently it feels worse all the time and the wow factor is already gone. Why aren’t we using all this computing power to say, model how many emissions China needs to cut and exactly where, using new pollution satellite data, to force them to save the planet? Why are we instead wasting all this computing power on politically correct robots ? There is an article about Bitcoin “wasting” 2.3% of US electrical grid power. Why aren’t we examining how much all these GPUs are wasting? It is a big hot mess currently
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  The computing power is not that high, and computing is not so scarce that it’s a limiting factor in anything. “Force China to save the planet” is awfully loaded. Chinas green development is frankly a lot better than the US even if their polluting development is huge.
- qgin 3y ago
  We don't lack sufficient info about how much China contributes to emissions.

57 points by hermitcrab 3y ago

neom 3y ago

I see the opposite problem in a lot of large businesses... "ah, AI is cool but it will never disrupt our space, our work is too complex" - heh, ok buddy.

seadan83 3y ago
I'm curious. Would you mind sharing some examples?

spacebanana7 3y ago

> Some exec wakes up one day and has a crazy misguided idea about sticking gen AI somewhere and then asking junior (non DS) devs to build it without DS input Don't really see a problem here - it's quite realistic for junior devs to build something useful out of Ollama/Open AI APIs.

fieldcny 3y ago
I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic, or you are just inexperienced
- llamaLord 3y ago
  By "useful" he means "will make VC's and uninformed investors feel good"... gotta remember, the definition of "useful" is relative.
  - catchnear4321 3y ago
    what’s most useful is how many heads can be removed above the junior level and below the exec level. that’s a lot of cash saved. basically as good as cash earned, when you’re getting funding rounds of cash.
  - spacebanana7 3y ago
    "useful" means something that helps people. Realistic examples of small, useful AI projects a junior dev could do in a sprint: 1) check for spelling/grammar mistakes on company website 2) summarise transcripts of zoom calls 3) scan codebase for misleading comments 4) generate mermaid diagrams from terraform 5) Scan Jira for near-duplicates on a backlog and add a label None of these require data science teams to get involved.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  As a data scientist, there’s basically 0 data science involved in building a small tool out of the api or high level model interfaces.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
486sx33 3y ago
This is reality, fortunately or not. How can you change this? Push back about specifics that won’t work, but in large terms. Example. Well we could build that, but in order to monetize it, it would cost xxx monthly which would require a gross sales increase of xxx just to break even. You may not know gross profit margin, but your exec does. So focus on costs along with strong technical reasons as to why something is ridiculous. Programmers hate being asked “how much time will this take”. This needs to be utilized and flipped around - like your crazy ass idea will consume 5000 core programmer hours which will set back the follow priorities and we can’t see a use case.

gmerc 3y ago

At this point the biggest risk for shareholders is that a company CEO cannot answer an AI strategy question in an earnings call. That’s why.

refurb 3y ago
Pretty much. I worked at a Fortune 50 company (not tech) and it was hilarious to hear about some random exec who read about a technology and it was suddenly priority #1, mostly because it was the flavor of the month in the industry. Of course it was a tech that many had brought up before (myself included) which had been brushed off. Then it was “pull all nighters and come up some ideas on how we can use this tech”. And it was purely so the CEO wasn’t caught with his/her pants down when talking to investors.

datadrivenangel 3y ago

Gotta be doing then latest and greatest <buzzword>!

skywhopper 3y ago

Execs like this will cause a lot of disruption over the next few years and waste a lot of money adding friction and overhead where it’s not needed, laying off the wrong people, and prioritizing the wrong projects. And as the inherent issues with generative models become apparent, they’ll end up hiring similar people back into new roles and starting new projects to address those problems we’ll move onto the next hype cycle with a lot of wasteful disruption. The main difference from the blockchain and metaverse boondoggles will be the scale, given the endlessly breathless nonsense coverage of how professional humans in every field are now completely expendable. By 2030, we’ll have moved past this but none of the execs or investors will have ever faced any consequences or done any introspection about all the disruption and waste. They’ll be on to the next scam.

BeFlatXIII 3y ago
This is why it's so important to become the scammer. Better recurring revenue than traditional business.

giraffe_lady 3y ago

Executives and investors are way more bought into this than recently hyped things like crypto and ar/vr because this one offers the possibility of laying off most of their highly skilled & highly compensated technical staff. We are one of the last solidly middle class professions, we didn't unionize when we could, and they are absolutely foaming at finally maybe having the chance to do to us what they've already done to everyone else.

steve1977 3y ago

Well at least they got over blockchain, so there’s that..:

ncr100 3y ago
At least they got over slave labor .. only taking 150 years from 1808 through 1948. (The Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves & United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights) Chasing profit with dubious or outright abandonment of healthy human ethics has been a hallmark of human business, sadly. [Energy draining via blockchain. Absurd re=use of human contributions to knowledge via GenAI.] It is like technology becomes a disruptor. The disruption doesn't have to be so hard. It can be softened. But for the sake of profit, it is not and more people than necessary will be disenfranchised by GenAI.
LikesPwsh 3y ago
This will be harder. Blockchain is entirely useless for legal activities, "AI" is broad enough that it includes useful things. E.g. Obscuring copyright breaches is the number one killer app for genAI so far. It's decimated the cottage industry of personal art commissions.
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  Source?
  - LikesPwsh 3y ago
    On killer feature or art commissions?
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      Art commissions
      - LikesPwsh 3y ago
        I had a look and couldn't find a serious journalistic source with numbers to back my personal opinion. Lots of whiny Reddit threads, but only anecdata. My own experience is that Dungeons & Dragons character art can be better (and more personally) created by writing your own stablediffusion prompts than by hiring an artist. I've seen most local tables shift towards that.

pyuser583 3y ago

Massive over utilization as a result of hype. This tech will change the world, but we don’t know how - yet. During the 90s tech boom: * no streaming videos * no ebooks * advertisers hated social media * email cost money * Amazon just sold books * cloud computing wasn’t anywhere near mature * secure internet connections were insanely rare * cell phones were only on tv * identity theft wasn’t a thing * subscription based “walled gardens” like AOL were popular * server side programming was done in C Nobody knows where generative AI will take us. And that’s great!

randomdata 3y ago
> no streaming videos Funny, iCraveTV is the 90s 'dot-com' company I remember most. > cell phones were only on tv Perhaps you are referring to an 80s tech boom instead? That's when the "Zack Morris" phone was something for TV. By the 90s tech boom, everyone had a MicroTac. > server side programming was done in C And bash! Hard to imagine now. Although Perl reigned supreme.
mmh0000 3y ago
> * no streaming videos RealPlayer, Macromedia Flash & Shockwave were quite popular (and horrible) > * no ebooks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebook#1980s_and_1990s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebook#1980s_and_1990s > * advertisers hated social media The social media user base was tiny and primarily full of antisocial nerds. > * email cost money No, it didn't. > * Amazon just sold books By 1999, Amazon was selling other stuff too. > * cloud computing wasn't anywhere near mature It depends on how you define "mature," I suppose. VPSs, dedicated hardware rentals, and managed services were quite common. > * cell phones were only on TV Having been in high school from ~1996 to 1999, I can say that a good portion of the girls had cell phones. > * identity theft wasn't a thing Identity theft has been a thing since the beginning of the human race. > * Subscription-based "walled gardens" like AOL were popular Almost everyone in the tech community widely mocked AOL. It was "popular" among a small subset of computer users. And to be fair, this was before good search engines. Services like Yahoo! and AOL made it possible to find content easily. > * server side programming was done in C And PERL, and Fortran, and Shell, and .NET language like C#.

greenie_beans 3y ago

i kind of want a job like this. a bunch of bosses who have no idea what i'm doing bc they have no idea what they're doing. i would slack so hard.

skirmish 3y ago
And in a few months they pivot to a new obsession (e.g. quantum computing) and fire everybody without a community college course in quantum physics on their resume.
- greenie_beans 3y ago
  that's fine because during that time i will have slacked on my salaried job and this will give me time to come up with another income stream
- blooalien 3y ago
  > "and fire everybody without a community college course in quantum physics on their resume" ... And without ten years experience in the shiny new quantum software that was just created last week ... (I've literally seen real actual job postings in the tech industry where the requirements include years of experience in a technology that was just invented.)

not_the_fda 3y ago

I work in design services, there has a been a big up tick in people asking to add "AI" to their product, or asking "can we do this with 'AI' ". Its a meaningless magical box to bill for. Don't get me wrong. Machine learning, decision tress, etc can be useful. The client just want to be able to slap a sticker on that says "AI included"

486sx33 3y ago

I am an executive and I’m pushing back hard against AI. I don’t need a robotic progressive machine telling us what is acceptable or that they are deeply offended. There is something there - but currently it feels worse all the time and the wow factor is already gone. Why aren’t we using all this computing power to say, model how many emissions China needs to cut and exactly where, using new pollution satellite data, to force them to save the planet? Why are we instead wasting all this computing power on politically correct robots ? There is an article about Bitcoin “wasting” 2.3% of US electrical grid power. Why aren’t we examining how much all these GPUs are wasting? It is a big hot mess currently

jncfhnb 3y ago
The computing power is not that high, and computing is not so scarce that it’s a limiting factor in anything. “Force China to save the planet” is awfully loaded. Chinas green development is frankly a lot better than the US even if their polluting development is huge.
qgin 3y ago
We don't lack sufficient info about how much China contributes to emissions.