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No. If you buy a book and determine its quality will leave it falling apart sooner than you want, you can return it or copy it or work to preserve it. If it sta
by jtbayly 3y ago
No. If you buy a book and determine its quality will leave it falling apart sooner than you want, you can return it or copy it or work to preserve it. If it starts falling apart, you can repair it. If a cd gets a scratch you can repair it. You can store it in a climate controlled environment. All of these things are in your hands. Some people will burn their books or toss them. Some will preserve them for centuries.
The problem is that with purely digital, there is just nothing you can do. None of it is up to you. You can’t copy it, preserve it, etc. Sony says you’re done and that’s it.
- Retr0id 3y agoStreamed digital media can be copied trivially, you're just not allowed to. I'm not even allowed to tell you how to do it.
- BlueTemplar 3y agoWell, only for the one protected by DRM.
- 22c 3y agoNit: It's not protected by DRM, it's protected by copyrights. It's still against the law in most places to violate copyrights, even if there's no DRM involved.
- bfdm 3y agoBut it's equally important that where the copying would otherwise be allowed under copyright rules, anti tampering DRM laws (like DMCA 1201) make it criminal to perform or aid that copying. That's why DRM protection for its own sake needs to get tossed. It's a massive overreach.
- Aerroon 3y agoWould it still be considered bypassing DRM if you just record the screen? All the layers of DRM are active in that case.
- ShadowBanThis01 3y ago[dead]
- BlueTemplar 3y agoIt's not, you are allowed to make personal backups. Depending on the jurisdiction you are even specifically allowed to break DRM to do that !
- trinsic2 3y agoI wouldn't say copying streams is trivially easy
- crazygringo 3y agoSure, but that's a lot of effort. And if you want to copy your streams illegally or pirate duplicates you can do that too, which also involves effort. I'm just making the point that after 10 or 20 years, most people either no longer have most of the media they bought, it's degraded, they're upgrading from VHS to DVDs to Blu-Rays or similar, or they never touch it again anyways. Not true with all of it, but probably most of it. So there's already a kind of expectation that consumer media usually only lasts for a time period anyways -- yes, unless you're doing fancy things like climate control and making copies.
- advael 3y agoMaking copies isn't fancy. It's just illegal because IP brokers have too much power and made it so. It's a commonsense measure that you could do with most forms of purchased media, increasingly trivially until said IP brokers succeeded in roping the government into threatening people who did so, and so now less people do so. To promise that a digital copy would be accessible forever and then rescind that access without offering a download is straightforwardly fraud
- jtbayly 3y agoHaving AC and bookshelves is not fancy or hard. Books with decent paper can and do last centuries. Books with really crappy paper last decades and are generally still usable if you’re careful. DVDs last a stinking long time, too. All you’re saying is that physical things aren’t eternal. Yes everybody knows that. Digital things aren’t generally eternal either. I accept that. But look at the timeframes.
- tharkun__ 3y agoThat is incorrect. We still have perfectly fine vinyls from the 1970s and that's just us. No climate controlling or anything like that. If anything I think the expectation with digital files is that yes, of course I will still have my same MP3s from 20 years ago, ripped from CDs I own, in another 30 years.
- snvzz 3y ago>If anything I think the expectation with digital files is that yes, of course I will still have my same MP3s from 20 years ago, ripped from CDs I own, in another 30 years. Remember to re-rip as lossless (e.g. flac) while you still have those CDs.
- dr_kiszonka 3y agoMaybe we should be given a lifetime "license" for the digital goods we buy. For example, if I bought a digital copy of a game or a movie and the company went out of business, I would be allowed to obtain and use a bootleg copy. Ideally, we should be allowed to download it from anywhere, including other stores, but that seems unlikely.
- hndamien 3y agoPerhaps anybody that uses the term “Buy” or “Forever” should risk the content falling into the public domain should they cease to uphold their service requirements of the contract they made.
- PeterisP 3y agoWhy only my lifetime? If I buy a copyright protected work, the doctrine of first sale asserts that I have the right to transfer it to anyone else, and if I die before doing so, whoever inherits me should have the rights to access to every single copyrighted thing I ever bought.
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- mcmcmc 3y agoJust to be clear for anyone who didn’t read TFA, the digital copies were given out as a bonus with purchases of physical media. Sure someone may have made a different purchasing decision if they knew the streaming platform would be going away eventually, but it’s not like they took back their DVDs.
- trinsic2 3y agoI was thinking to some thing. But I can see how this would effect people now that everything is digital.
- soraminazuki 3y agoJust to be clear for anyone who thinks that makes Sony's actions acceptable in any way, it does not. Sony took from the customer what they sold. That they legally "allowed" themselves to do this in fine print while telling their customers otherwise makes it even more scummy, not less.
- foogazi 3y agoWhat if it falls and breaks ?
- noobermin 3y agoThis is why the analogy with "wear and tear" doesn't apply to digital goods, it doesn't even make any sense. Wear and tear is something that applies to physical things in the real world, not information, specifically information in a digital format. The problem here is not physical things that are the medium for information, it's the information itself that somehow people want to control.
- graemep 3y ago> If you buy a book and determine its quality will leave it falling apart sooner than you want, you can return it or copy it or work to preserve it. Copying it is illegal in some countries, even if it is purely for private use - the UK and some EU countries, probably others around the world. The UK tried to introduce a private use exception but it was only legal under EU law (this was pre-Brexit) if the copyright holders were compensated for it (which was not part of the UK law).