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> Doubling down on our core products, like Firefox THERE IS NO OTHER PRODUCT

by anotherhue 3y ago

camgunz 3y ago
There are: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/products/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/products/.
- anotherhue 3y ago
  I stand by my claim.
  - camgunz 3y ago
    You can say you don't like them or they're subjectively not good, but you're wrong that there's only one. Also, Pocket is actually pretty good, and Mozilla VPN is Mullvad, which is also pretty good. I know I'm probably digging into a low-effort, dismissive comment here, but I'm hoping this isn't just flippancy.
    - westhanover 3y ago
      No one cares about those. Firefox is their only chance. Their comeback does not start with Pocket.
    - getwiththeprog 3y ago
      It is a joke which reveals the truth.
    - anotherhue 3y ago
      Obviously they advertise several products, but this is a false equivalency. Only one is too large to be developed elsewhere. Only one provides a meaningful challenge to the hegemony of webkit. The rest might as well be seen as make work programs for product managers.
      - camgunz 3y ago
        > Only one is too large to be developed elsewhere. Do a company's products need to be only products that only they can produce? I mean, almost nothing fits this bill, not even things like office suites. You're ruling out stuff like milk, glass, tires, text editors, etc. > Only one provides a meaningful challenge to the hegemony of webkit. Like, if your argument is that they have a super important product and should only focus on that, then OK. That's an interesting discussion that maybe I agree with (maybe not though). > The rest might as well be seen as make work programs for product managers. This is pretty dismissive, but also probably true for at least 30% of all tech products (which are also make work programs for software engineers, management, etc). I don't know why you're singling out Mozilla here, Google has a division of people making blimps so they don't go work for competitors.
        aragilar 3y ago
        Of those on the list, most are a wrapper around an existing service: * Mozilla Monitor: wrapper around https://haveibeenpwned.com/ https://haveibeenpwned.com/ * Mozilla VPN: wrapper around https://mullvad.net/ https://mullvad.net/ (and had security issues: https://www.techradar.com/news/security-audit-finds-major-issue-in-mozilla-vpn https://www.techradar.com/news/security-audit-finds-major-is...) * Mozilla Relay: "Partnership" with Twilio (I'm not able to get access to it, so not sure how much Mozilla adds here) and I thought Fastmail (could be wrong). * Pocket: controversial purchase (and still not open source as promised) * Firefox Focus: another browser (is it needed, or is it just a reskin?)
        camgunz 3y ago
        (You need blank lines between your list lines -- I wish this weren't true on HN but it is) I think there's value in Mozilla using its (admittedly dwindling) mindshare to push services that make browsing the web more private and more secure. Maybe you disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that they're products. And arguably, the "focus on Firefox" crowd should be pleased by this: it means Mozilla didn't "waste" resources on making their own VPN service, etc. N.B. Firefox Focus is an Android/iOS mobile app that wraps the browsers on those platforms and essentially just blocks trackers. There's some other stuff but that's the gist.

> Doubling down on our core products, like Firefox THERE IS NO OTHER PRODUCT

camgunz 3y ago

There are: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/products/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/products/.

anotherhue 3y ago
I stand by my claim.
- camgunz 3y ago
  You can say you don't like them or they're subjectively not good, but you're wrong that there's only one. Also, Pocket is actually pretty good, and Mozilla VPN is Mullvad, which is also pretty good. I know I'm probably digging into a low-effort, dismissive comment here, but I'm hoping this isn't just flippancy.
  - westhanover 3y ago
    No one cares about those. Firefox is their only chance. Their comeback does not start with Pocket.
  - getwiththeprog 3y ago
    It is a joke which reveals the truth.
  - anotherhue 3y ago
    Obviously they advertise several products, but this is a false equivalency. Only one is too large to be developed elsewhere. Only one provides a meaningful challenge to the hegemony of webkit. The rest might as well be seen as make work programs for product managers.
    - camgunz 3y ago
      > Only one is too large to be developed elsewhere. Do a company's products need to be only products that only they can produce? I mean, almost nothing fits this bill, not even things like office suites. You're ruling out stuff like milk, glass, tires, text editors, etc. > Only one provides a meaningful challenge to the hegemony of webkit. Like, if your argument is that they have a super important product and should only focus on that, then OK. That's an interesting discussion that maybe I agree with (maybe not though). > The rest might as well be seen as make work programs for product managers. This is pretty dismissive, but also probably true for at least 30% of all tech products (which are also make work programs for software engineers, management, etc). I don't know why you're singling out Mozilla here, Google has a division of people making blimps so they don't go work for competitors.
      - aragilar 3y ago
        Of those on the list, most are a wrapper around an existing service: * Mozilla Monitor: wrapper around https://haveibeenpwned.com/ https://haveibeenpwned.com/ * Mozilla VPN: wrapper around https://mullvad.net/ https://mullvad.net/ (and had security issues: https://www.techradar.com/news/security-audit-finds-major-issue-in-mozilla-vpn https://www.techradar.com/news/security-audit-finds-major-is...) * Mozilla Relay: "Partnership" with Twilio (I'm not able to get access to it, so not sure how much Mozilla adds here) and I thought Fastmail (could be wrong). * Pocket: controversial purchase (and still not open source as promised) * Firefox Focus: another browser (is it needed, or is it just a reskin?)
        camgunz 3y ago
        (You need blank lines between your list lines -- I wish this weren't true on HN but it is) I think there's value in Mozilla using its (admittedly dwindling) mindshare to push services that make browsing the web more private and more secure. Maybe you disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that they're products. And arguably, the "focus on Firefox" crowd should be pleased by this: it means Mozilla didn't "waste" resources on making their own VPN service, etc. N.B. Firefox Focus is an Android/iOS mobile app that wraps the browsers on those platforms and essentially just blocks trackers. There's some other stuff but that's the gist.