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> Your conversations are processed by human reviewers to improve the technologies powering Gemini Apps. Don’t enter anything you wouldn’t want reviewed or used.
by bilalq 3y ago
> Your conversations are processed by human reviewers to improve the technologies powering Gemini Apps. Don’t enter anything you wouldn’t want reviewed or used.
I appreciate them being upfront with that, but for a paid feature, it sucks that they offer no privacy or opt-out mechanism.
- jimmyl02 3y agoIt seems like you can disable the data being used from training by turning off gemini app activity. > You can turn Gemini Apps Activity off If you don’t want future conversations reviewed or used to improve machine-learning models, turn off Gemini Apps Activity Opens in a new window .
- Zetobal 3y agoAnd you can be sure it will reset with every update.
- Laaas 3y agoThat wouldn't be legal I think.
- wewtyflakes 3y agoYou'd think so, but these companies skirt around it by then adding or breaking up permissions even further, like "oh, yes you DID disable data collection for X, but.... we added a new permission for data collection for Y, and by the way it is opt-out! Too bad!".
- gnicholas 3y agoLinkedIn is the master of this. They keep creating new notification types, which are enabled by default.
- chromeunagi 3y agoThat's not how it works
- Zetobal 3y agoThey usually go for the "Software Bug nothing we could do." Microsoft and Meta are notorious for playing the system like that, with no recourse.
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- losteric 3y agoWhy do you say that? I’ve never had that happen with any other of my Google data opt-outs.
- Ensorceled 3y agoI hate Google as much as the next person but, yeah, messing with opt-outs is something I've seen with Microsoft and Meta but not with Google.
- cwkoss 3y agoThere's a thing that says even with activity off, they retain for 72 hours for "safety and reliability"
- jstummbillig 3y agoSeems like what any reasonably sized corporation would do with an entirely new product, based on entirely new and very unreliable tech.
- thelittleone 3y agoCould they get around this by moving the data to another party? So "they" (Google) no longer retain it?
- gnicholas 3y agoMy reading of the fine print (IAAL, FWIW) is that turning off Gemini Apps Activity does not affect whether human review is possible. It just means that your prompts won't be saved beyond 72 hours, unless they are reviewed by humans, in which case they can live on indefinitely in a location separate from your account. I also asked Gemini (not Ultra) and it told me that there is no way to prevent human review.
- MrCheeze 3y agoYou should never ask an LLM to answer questions about itself. The answer is guaranteed to be hallucinated unless Google specifically finetuned it on an answer of that question. The answer it gave you is meaningless. (But also, coincidentally, correct.)
- gnicholas 3y agoI recall seeing that OpenAI finetuned ChatGPT on facts related to itself, and I figured Google likely did the same. But you're right about not relying on its representations. I only skimmed its answer to see if it seemed consistent with my reading of the fine print.
- wildrhythms 3y agoYou thought they would feed internal user data handling policy to a public facing LLM?
- gnicholas 3y agoYes, I thought they would feed the LLM's FAQ to the LLM. As I said above, OpenAI did this with ChatGPT. They even fed data about how ChatGPT was created to ChatGPT.
- shostack 3y agoCan you even access the opt out though before it hoovers up your messages and logs from the last 90 days? I didn't proceed because that didn't seem possible. The word "future" in what you quoted is doing a lot of heavy lifting. My assumption is you have to give it access to all your data, which it then processes for before you can opt out of it.
- 98codes 3y agoWell there's a line that the sales folks at Microsoft will bring out early & everywhere
- api 3y agoIf it's not running locally you have no privacy, so what they say should be assumed in all cases that something is hosted unless it somehow operates across encrypted data. The only exception might be if the agreement explicitly prohibits the provider from doing anything with your data or even viewing it without your permission, but that's rare.
- whimsicalism 3y agoif you live in california, they almost certainly do.