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I cannot help but wonder just how many commenters here will start to donate to Mozilla now. I've lost count of how many "I'd love to donate, but if only Mitchel

by xethos 3y ago

I cannot help but wonder just how many commenters here will start to donate to Mozilla now. I've lost count of how many "I'd love to donate, but if only Mitchell Baker weren't making such a mess of it" comments I've seen - hopefully Mozilla can get a jump with some additional funding by way of donations, and accelerate from there.

captainmuon 3y ago
From that statement, it's not clear to me what is going to change. I'm still in the "I'd love to donate camp". They mention corporate strategy and AI, and somewhere I read they are going to refocus on "privacy" so maybe this means their VPN product... I'd actually donate if they'd completely focus on Firefox. Maybe even better if Mozilla would spin out Firefox as a separate nonprofit or foundation.
lurking15 3y ago
The new CEO doesn't seem materially different from Baker imo
- kyleee 3y ago
  Yep, that’s the worry. Time will tell.
greatgib 3y ago
It would be nice to be able to donate just to support the development of the browser and get in return a kind of badge of honor or mention. Like it is done for Linux Mint for example.
yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
I don't think I've ever read "I'd love to donate, but if only Mitchell Baker weren't making such a mess of it"; I've only read "I'd love to donate, but Mozilla won't let me donate to the browser" and similar, which AFAIK is still true.
- camgunz 3y ago
  I mean maybe not exactly, but there's a lot of Mitchell Baker hate [0], even in this thread. [0]: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=Mitchell%20Baker&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
  - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
    Yes? There's a significant difference between hating a CEO and saying that you wouldn't donate to the org specifically because of their presence. I would suspect that the most likely case is that people objected to specific actions, not the person, and that they're not going to change their minds unless the new CEO changes how the org operates.
    - camgunz 3y ago
      I mean, there are these two comments [0] [1] from some time ago. Looking more closely at your original argument: "I'd love to donate, but if only Mitchell Baker weren't making such a mess of it"; I've only read "I'd love to donate, but Mozilla won't let me donate to the browser". First, I think a lot of the comments in the search fall under the category of "Mozilla isn't well run and I don't think they'd spend my donation well", because I think you have to file every comment about Baker's salary increasing while revenue and Firefox market share are decreasing in that folder. But second, I think the two options you gave up there are actually the same option. I think a lot of people commenting here think Firefox is the only thing that Mozilla should work on, the overwhelming majority of resources should be spent on it, and you should be able to donate directly to it. Anything else is poor management and not worthy of their donation. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36381450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36381450 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36381450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36381450
- nalinidash 3y ago
  This is a recommendation in mozilla connect, you can give kudos(like) to that idea for better visibility. https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/ability-to-donate-money-to-the-firefox-development-team-directly/idi-p/198 https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/ability-to-donate-money...
methou 3y ago
Maybe Servo, but not Mozilla, at least for now.

by xethos 3y ago

captainmuon 3y ago

From that statement, it's not clear to me what is going to change. I'm still in the "I'd love to donate camp". They mention corporate strategy and AI, and somewhere I read they are going to refocus on "privacy" so maybe this means their VPN product... I'd actually donate if they'd completely focus on Firefox. Maybe even better if Mozilla would spin out Firefox as a separate nonprofit or foundation.

lurking15 3y ago

The new CEO doesn't seem materially different from Baker imo

kyleee 3y ago
Yep, that’s the worry. Time will tell.

greatgib 3y ago

It would be nice to be able to donate just to support the development of the browser and get in return a kind of badge of honor or mention. Like it is done for Linux Mint for example.

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago

I don't think I've ever read "I'd love to donate, but if only Mitchell Baker weren't making such a mess of it"; I've only read "I'd love to donate, but Mozilla won't let me donate to the browser" and similar, which AFAIK is still true.

camgunz 3y ago
I mean maybe not exactly, but there's a lot of Mitchell Baker hate [0], even in this thread. [0]: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=Mitchell%20Baker&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  Yes? There's a significant difference between hating a CEO and saying that you wouldn't donate to the org specifically because of their presence. I would suspect that the most likely case is that people objected to specific actions, not the person, and that they're not going to change their minds unless the new CEO changes how the org operates.
  - camgunz 3y ago
    I mean, there are these two comments [0] [1] from some time ago. Looking more closely at your original argument: "I'd love to donate, but if only Mitchell Baker weren't making such a mess of it"; I've only read "I'd love to donate, but Mozilla won't let me donate to the browser". First, I think a lot of the comments in the search fall under the category of "Mozilla isn't well run and I don't think they'd spend my donation well", because I think you have to file every comment about Baker's salary increasing while revenue and Firefox market share are decreasing in that folder. But second, I think the two options you gave up there are actually the same option. I think a lot of people commenting here think Firefox is the only thing that Mozilla should work on, the overwhelming majority of resources should be spent on it, and you should be able to donate directly to it. Anything else is poor management and not worthy of their donation. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36381450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36381450 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36381450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36381450
nalinidash 3y ago
This is a recommendation in mozilla connect, you can give kudos(like) to that idea for better visibility. https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/ability-to-donate-money-to-the-firefox-development-team-directly/idi-p/198 https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/ability-to-donate-money...

methou 3y ago

Maybe Servo, but not Mozilla, at least for now.