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Any chance this gets upstreamed?

by frankjr 3y ago

codemusings 3y ago
I mean it's Oracle we're talking about here.
- ilogik 3y ago
  "What you think of Oracle, is even truer than you think it is. There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle." Bryan Cantrill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=1980s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=1980s
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - metanonsense 3y ago
    Thanks. This is pure comedy gold. In particular, that part about the acquisition by Oracle (from minute 33)
blitzclone 3y ago
Oracle already had an unfinished and broken KVM backend in the code that was not exposed. Whether they incorporate this polished KVM backend is anyone's guess at this point.
- bionsystem 3y ago
  How is it broken ? I used it for a day recently (from ubuntu repo, windows guest) and it worked ok.
  - blitzclone 3y ago
    The KVM backend in vanilla VBox cannot be activated without changing the code. If you tried it, you tried the vanilla VBox hypervisor (vboxdrv) instead of KVM.
stephen_g 3y ago
I’d actually much, much rather see it set up as a proper fork (rebranded etc.), and then the features that Oracle extorts people with in the “free” but not actually free extension pack (like USB pass through) re-implemented and included directly with no ‘extension’ required. Much of the reason I refuse to use Virtualbox for anything is how scummy Oracle is.
- blitzclone 3y ago
  Haha. I understand the sentiment. That's a pretty large effort though and needs some funding as well.
- organsnyder 3y ago
  At a previous employer Oracle sent a nastygram because they saw downloads of the VirtualBox extensions pack (which is free to download, but requires a license) coming from our IP block. This despite the fact that we were a big Oracle customer (tons of Oracle DBs; granted, we hadn't purchased VirtualBox licenses). I'd rather not deal with a vendor that's that antagonistic.
  - sooperserieous 3y ago
    > This despite^H^H^H^H^H because of the fact that we were a big Oracle customer FTFY. Having spent time at another large Oracle customer that was later acquired by Oracle I've seen how they do this internally too. And you can't just send it off to Legal to write back that "we didn't actually use it"...
    - organsnyder 3y ago
      This employer has a massive network with a bunch of guest networks (it's a hospital chain), so I thought they could just say there was no way to know whether it was employees or not. Of course, IIRC they just paid the ransom and added new restrictions on how employees could manage their work machines.

Any chance this gets upstreamed?

codemusings 3y ago

I mean it's Oracle we're talking about here.

ilogik 3y ago
"What you think of Oracle, is even truer than you think it is. There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle." Bryan Cantrill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=1980s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=1980s
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- metanonsense 3y ago
  Thanks. This is pure comedy gold. In particular, that part about the acquisition by Oracle (from minute 33)

blitzclone 3y ago

Oracle already had an unfinished and broken KVM backend in the code that was not exposed. Whether they incorporate this polished KVM backend is anyone's guess at this point.

bionsystem 3y ago
How is it broken ? I used it for a day recently (from ubuntu repo, windows guest) and it worked ok.
- blitzclone 3y ago
  The KVM backend in vanilla VBox cannot be activated without changing the code. If you tried it, you tried the vanilla VBox hypervisor (vboxdrv) instead of KVM.

stephen_g 3y ago

I’d actually much, much rather see it set up as a proper fork (rebranded etc.), and then the features that Oracle extorts people with in the “free” but not actually free extension pack (like USB pass through) re-implemented and included directly with no ‘extension’ required. Much of the reason I refuse to use Virtualbox for anything is how scummy Oracle is.

blitzclone 3y ago
Haha. I understand the sentiment. That's a pretty large effort though and needs some funding as well.
organsnyder 3y ago
At a previous employer Oracle sent a nastygram because they saw downloads of the VirtualBox extensions pack (which is free to download, but requires a license) coming from our IP block. This despite the fact that we were a big Oracle customer (tons of Oracle DBs; granted, we hadn't purchased VirtualBox licenses). I'd rather not deal with a vendor that's that antagonistic.
- sooperserieous 3y ago
  > This despite^H^H^H^H^H because of the fact that we were a big Oracle customer FTFY. Having spent time at another large Oracle customer that was later acquired by Oracle I've seen how they do this internally too. And you can't just send it off to Legal to write back that "we didn't actually use it"...
  - organsnyder 3y ago
    This employer has a massive network with a bunch of guest networks (it's a hospital chain), so I thought they could just say there was no way to know whether it was employees or not. Of course, IIRC they just paid the ransom and added new restrictions on how employees could manage their work machines.