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> Most treat it as a yield (myself included) because it's a pain to start+stop at every stop sign. Sure. It's a pain for cars to start and stop at every stop s

> Most treat it as a yield (myself included) because it's a pain to start+stop at every stop sign. Sure. It's a pain for cars to start and stop at every stop sign too. So?

babl-yc 3y ago
I drive and bike. It's more annoying on a bike to come to a complete stop.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  I find plenty of rules of the road annoying, whether I'm in a car, on a bicycle or pedestrian. This "Oh, well, it's annoying so we don't do that" is BS.
  - peter422 3y ago
    I used to yield at stop signs early on while cycling, but after I was hit by a car who ran a stop sign, I switched to coming to a complete stop at every stop sign, ensuring no cars were about to run their stop signs, then going. Self preservation is more important than maintaining a little bit of momentum. A fun bonus for this method is it seems to annoy the cars behind you even more when you actually come to complete stops, even though all drivers complain that cyclists don’t stop at stop signs.
  - watwut 3y ago
    Very very few drivers respect speed limits to the T or the whole bunch "slow down when you do not see around" rules. So, majority of drivers can stuff themselves when they suddenly demand absolute perfect compliance from non-drivers.
- babelfish 3y ago
  If someone can't follow traffic laws, they shouldn't be on the road (regardless of mode of transportation)
  - jeromegv 3y ago
    I see quite a bit of cars not coming to a 3 second stop, they mostly roll at slow speed and never actually stop the vehicle completely. Do you advocate for 70% of the drivers to be taken off the road?
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    - Aloisius 3y ago
      The law is a complete stop in California, not a 3 second stop. And yeah, anyone rolling through stop signs shouldn't be driving. In cities that actually enforce traffic laws, you can get your license suspended for it.
      - FireBeyond 3y ago
        And since this is about (semi-) autonomous vehicles, in this case, lets not also forget the release of FSD that specifically allowed you to run stop signs.
  - danenania 3y ago
    So anyone who drives 1 mph over the speed limit shouldn’t be on the road? There are laws and there are norms. The overlap is never exact.
    - bsimpson 3y ago
      The laws should overlap with the norms more. It really bothers me that the laws don't reflect real life. It gives the authorities the ability to harass whoever they like for violating laws that are routinely ignored until a cop wants to start something. That's not okay.
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  - maxwellg 3y ago
- ExoticPearTree 3y ago
  > I drive and bike. It's more annoying on a bike to come to a complete stop. That's a side effect of your choice, not an excuse to blow through stop signs.
  - CalRobert 3y ago
    It's also a side effect of very bad urban design. I bike in the Netherlands and don't know if I've _ever_ seen a stop sign here. Traffic signals, sure, but not stop signs.
    - ExoticPearTree 3y ago
      Cities in Europe are much smaller and more compact than US cities. And while there's no stop sign, you still have to yield to traffic from your right if there's no sign whatsoever. And specifically, dutch cities tend to have winding narrow streets where you can't speed up too much. Stop signs are put in places where I guess a yield sign proved to be dangerous to traffic?
      - CalRobert 3y ago
        True, but you're addressing some of the things I meant when I said US cities have very bad urban design. The alternative isn't a yield sign, it's a redesigned intersection and likely a roundabout, or much smaller intersection, or similar.
bialpio 3y ago
How is it a pain to stop in a car? Does your foot hurt from pressing the brake pedal and then the accelerator? I don't get it - it takes actual, not-insignificant effort to start riding a bike after a full stop, unlike a car, even when it has a manual transmission. I'm guessing that is why there are jurisdictions that introduce laws allowing cyclists to skip the full stop.
benhurmarcel 3y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42oQN7fy_eM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42oQN7fy_eM

> Most treat it as a yield (myself included) because it's a pain to start+stop at every stop sign. Sure. It's a pain for cars to start and stop at every stop sign too. So?

babl-yc 3y ago

I drive and bike. It's more annoying on a bike to come to a complete stop.

FireBeyond 3y ago
I find plenty of rules of the road annoying, whether I'm in a car, on a bicycle or pedestrian. This "Oh, well, it's annoying so we don't do that" is BS.
- peter422 3y ago
  I used to yield at stop signs early on while cycling, but after I was hit by a car who ran a stop sign, I switched to coming to a complete stop at every stop sign, ensuring no cars were about to run their stop signs, then going. Self preservation is more important than maintaining a little bit of momentum. A fun bonus for this method is it seems to annoy the cars behind you even more when you actually come to complete stops, even though all drivers complain that cyclists don’t stop at stop signs.
- watwut 3y ago
  Very very few drivers respect speed limits to the T or the whole bunch "slow down when you do not see around" rules. So, majority of drivers can stuff themselves when they suddenly demand absolute perfect compliance from non-drivers.
babelfish 3y ago
If someone can't follow traffic laws, they shouldn't be on the road (regardless of mode of transportation)
- jeromegv 3y ago
  I see quite a bit of cars not coming to a 3 second stop, they mostly roll at slow speed and never actually stop the vehicle completely. Do you advocate for 70% of the drivers to be taken off the road?
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  - Aloisius 3y ago
    The law is a complete stop in California, not a 3 second stop. And yeah, anyone rolling through stop signs shouldn't be driving. In cities that actually enforce traffic laws, you can get your license suspended for it.
    - FireBeyond 3y ago
      And since this is about (semi-) autonomous vehicles, in this case, lets not also forget the release of FSD that specifically allowed you to run stop signs.
- danenania 3y ago
  So anyone who drives 1 mph over the speed limit shouldn’t be on the road? There are laws and there are norms. The overlap is never exact.
  - bsimpson 3y ago
    The laws should overlap with the norms more. It really bothers me that the laws don't reflect real life. It gives the authorities the ability to harass whoever they like for violating laws that are routinely ignored until a cop wants to start something. That's not okay.
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- maxwellg 3y ago
ExoticPearTree 3y ago
> I drive and bike. It's more annoying on a bike to come to a complete stop. That's a side effect of your choice, not an excuse to blow through stop signs.
- CalRobert 3y ago
  It's also a side effect of very bad urban design. I bike in the Netherlands and don't know if I've _ever_ seen a stop sign here. Traffic signals, sure, but not stop signs.
  - ExoticPearTree 3y ago
    Cities in Europe are much smaller and more compact than US cities. And while there's no stop sign, you still have to yield to traffic from your right if there's no sign whatsoever. And specifically, dutch cities tend to have winding narrow streets where you can't speed up too much. Stop signs are put in places where I guess a yield sign proved to be dangerous to traffic?
    - CalRobert 3y ago
      True, but you're addressing some of the things I meant when I said US cities have very bad urban design. The alternative isn't a yield sign, it's a redesigned intersection and likely a roundabout, or much smaller intersection, or similar.

bialpio 3y ago

How is it a pain to stop in a car? Does your foot hurt from pressing the brake pedal and then the accelerator? I don't get it - it takes actual, not-insignificant effort to start riding a bike after a full stop, unlike a car, even when it has a manual transmission. I'm guessing that is why there are jurisdictions that introduce laws allowing cyclists to skip the full stop.

benhurmarcel 3y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42oQN7fy_eM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42oQN7fy_eM