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It is not possible to steal from the public domain. That's the entire point of it.

tanseydavid 3y ago
Go try to produce something based around the public domain story Cinderella. I doubt that Disney would take this kindly or lightly. That's the entire point of the post that you are responding to.
- bombcar 3y ago
  There’s a French live action Beauty and the Beast which was rereleased in the US to take advantage of the hype around Disney’s remake - and it’s actually darn good for a $5 supermarket checkout movie. Disney sued nobody.
- blackoil 3y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella#Works_based_on_the_Cinderella_story https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella#Works_based_on_th...
- bazoom42 3y ago
  You mean like Andrew Lloyd Webbers musical Bad Cinderella?
kmeisthax 3y ago
It's stealing in the cultural appropriation sense, not the copyright sense. When you create a new work based off a public domain work, you own what you added to that work. If your adaptation happens to be extremely successful, that effectively recopyrights the character, because the version people care about is the one you own. If someone else wants to use the public domain character, they have to aggressively distance their use of that character from yours. Disney spent decades re-imagining Europe's folk tales[0] through his lens. Their movies are the ones people think about when you mention Snow White, Cinderella, Pinocchio, etc. Notably, the visual designs are unique enough to get independent copyright protection. So independent uses of those characters don't look like themselves. This, BTW, is why anyone who wants to renounce copyright over their creative work should opt for CC-BY-SA and not a public domain dedication. Share-alike clauses prevent this sort of gradual appropriation. [0] as filtered/censored thru the Brothers Grimm
- Yodel0914 3y ago
  > It's stealing in the cultural appropriation sense, not the copyright sense. Well, I agree with that. But very likely not for the same reasons you do.
- bazoom42 3y ago
  The material which was public domain is still public domain, Disney did not “re-copyright” anything. Just google how many different versions of Pinocchio has been made independently from Disney. Gulliermo del Toro won an oscar for his version. If you havent seen that it is your own fault, not the fault of Disney or copyright law. Stephen Sondheim had a pretty succesful musical based on Grimms tales. But yeah, if you want people to care about your version, you have to bring something new to the table.
GartzenDeHaes 3y ago
Getting their cronies in congress to extend copyright protections from 14 years to 100 years is stealing from the public domain.
- Yodel0914 3y ago
  100% - but that's not what the GP was talking about.

Go try to produce something based around the public domain story Cinderella. I doubt that Disney would take this kindly or lightly. That's the entire point of the post that you are responding to.

bombcar 3y ago
There’s a French live action Beauty and the Beast which was rereleased in the US to take advantage of the hype around Disney’s remake - and it’s actually darn good for a $5 supermarket checkout movie. Disney sued nobody.
blackoil 3y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella#Works_based_on_the_Cinderella_story https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella#Works_based_on_th...
bazoom42 3y ago
You mean like Andrew Lloyd Webbers musical Bad Cinderella?

kmeisthax 3y ago

It's stealing in the cultural appropriation sense, not the copyright sense. When you create a new work based off a public domain work, you own what you added to that work. If your adaptation happens to be extremely successful, that effectively recopyrights the character, because the version people care about is the one you own. If someone else wants to use the public domain character, they have to aggressively distance their use of that character from yours. Disney spent decades re-imagining Europe's folk tales[0] through his lens. Their movies are the ones people think about when you mention Snow White, Cinderella, Pinocchio, etc. Notably, the visual designs are unique enough to get independent copyright protection. So independent uses of those characters don't look like themselves. This, BTW, is why anyone who wants to renounce copyright over their creative work should opt for CC-BY-SA and not a public domain dedication. Share-alike clauses prevent this sort of gradual appropriation. [0] as filtered/censored thru the Brothers Grimm

Yodel0914 3y ago
> It's stealing in the cultural appropriation sense, not the copyright sense. Well, I agree with that. But very likely not for the same reasons you do.
bazoom42 3y ago
The material which was public domain is still public domain, Disney did not “re-copyright” anything. Just google how many different versions of Pinocchio has been made independently from Disney. Gulliermo del Toro won an oscar for his version. If you havent seen that it is your own fault, not the fault of Disney or copyright law. Stephen Sondheim had a pretty succesful musical based on Grimms tales. But yeah, if you want people to care about your version, you have to bring something new to the table.

GartzenDeHaes 3y ago

Getting their cronies in congress to extend copyright protections from 14 years to 100 years is stealing from the public domain.

Yodel0914 3y ago
100% - but that's not what the GP was talking about.