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I'm counting down the days like it's Christmas.

by phatfish 3y ago

adastra22 3y ago
You want iPhones and iPads and MacBooks to be discontinued from the European market?
- danogentili 3y ago
  Yes, I certainly do: if Apple can't behave, there's no reason their unrepairable, overpriced garbage should stay on the EU market.
  - matwood 3y ago
    > overpriced garbage You have highlighted my issue with this whole DMA situation. Every Android phone I have used has felt like privacy invading garbage (except maybe the nexus 4), yet I don't think they should be off market. I simply use an iPhone instead. Instead of the DMA being pro-consumer, I read it as anti-business (probably US business). It feels created out of EU jealously of the US tech industry, and secondarily a way to help EU companies. Consumers will likely end up worse off, which I reminded of every time I visit the EU have to dismiss cookie banners on every damn site.
    - rglullis 3y ago
      There are a good number of "Android devices" which I can unlock the bootloader (or comes already unlocked from factory) and install another ROM. Done, no more "privacy invading garbage". That is virtually impossible to be done with any Apple product.
    - piva00 3y ago
      > It feels created out of EU jealously of the US tech industry If it feels like that for you I recommend checking your emotional state, the EU has a different approach to regulating businesses than the USA, it's not jealousy but different principles aiming for different outcomes than what the USA aims for. > Instead of the DMA being pro-consumer, I read it as anti-business (probably US business). You've criticised the DMA twice about being: a bad implementation, and now as anti-business. Yes, it is anti a specific case of business which in the EU's view is not aligned to the outcomes it wants in the economy, calling the EU anti-business is, at best, naïve, since it's an organisation focused first and foremost to deal with commerce and business in general. It is against business using leverages against citizens, something that the USA does not seem to care about, and that's fine for the USA just don't try to apply the same principles you live under to a different culture regarding businesses.
- fxtentacle 3y ago
  I completely don't mind. The people who still want to buy Apple can just do a direct import themselves. Probably AliExpress will even offer to do it for you, just like they do for other non-EU companies that refuse to play by EU rules, e.g. Xaomi.
  - ornitorrincos 3y ago
    Xiaomi does sell in the EU with a EEA specific rom.
- rglullis 3y ago
  Not just iDevices, but any device that can not be fully controlled by the owner. Hardware should only be allowed to be sold if we are free to install/reinstall the software as we see fit.
- surgical_fire 3y ago
  I do.
newbie578 3y ago
I find it hilarious how certain people on HN are so pro-corpo. You get a feeling like Apple is part of their family, not a monopolistic giant just needing one excuse to permaban you from their services.
- esarbe 3y ago
  That's because HN is the private playground of the venture capital tech elite and those who are courting them. Most of the people here would love to be Apple and to abuse the shit out of their users rights in order to make profit. This is not Slashdot.
- MagnumOpus 3y ago
  A good proportion of these people have the majority of their multi-million dollar wealth tied up in a single on of the FAAMG megacorps, or in a stock portfolio heavily invested in them. As they say, "it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it". Even the ones that are not outright shills and cheerleaders often exhibit motivated reasoning...
  - adastra22 3y ago
    I don’t own any Apple stock. Nor is my finances in any way dependent on Apple or other big tech. I don’t even work in software. I just think my life is genuinely improved by having access to Apple products, and find the blond hate and uncompromising takes in this thread to be just as baffling.
    - matwood 3y ago
      I do own some Apple stock, but agree. Maybe I'm old school, but if I don't like a companies product I just don't buy it. This isn't a situation where anyone has to buy Apple products. ~65% of the EU has done just that. The whole blind hate is very weird to me.

I'm counting down the days like it's Christmas.

adastra22 3y ago

You want iPhones and iPads and MacBooks to be discontinued from the European market?

danogentili 3y ago
Yes, I certainly do: if Apple can't behave, there's no reason their unrepairable, overpriced garbage should stay on the EU market.
- matwood 3y ago
  > overpriced garbage You have highlighted my issue with this whole DMA situation. Every Android phone I have used has felt like privacy invading garbage (except maybe the nexus 4), yet I don't think they should be off market. I simply use an iPhone instead. Instead of the DMA being pro-consumer, I read it as anti-business (probably US business). It feels created out of EU jealously of the US tech industry, and secondarily a way to help EU companies. Consumers will likely end up worse off, which I reminded of every time I visit the EU have to dismiss cookie banners on every damn site.
  - rglullis 3y ago
    There are a good number of "Android devices" which I can unlock the bootloader (or comes already unlocked from factory) and install another ROM. Done, no more "privacy invading garbage". That is virtually impossible to be done with any Apple product.
  - piva00 3y ago
    > It feels created out of EU jealously of the US tech industry If it feels like that for you I recommend checking your emotional state, the EU has a different approach to regulating businesses than the USA, it's not jealousy but different principles aiming for different outcomes than what the USA aims for. > Instead of the DMA being pro-consumer, I read it as anti-business (probably US business). You've criticised the DMA twice about being: a bad implementation, and now as anti-business. Yes, it is anti a specific case of business which in the EU's view is not aligned to the outcomes it wants in the economy, calling the EU anti-business is, at best, naïve, since it's an organisation focused first and foremost to deal with commerce and business in general. It is against business using leverages against citizens, something that the USA does not seem to care about, and that's fine for the USA just don't try to apply the same principles you live under to a different culture regarding businesses.
fxtentacle 3y ago
I completely don't mind. The people who still want to buy Apple can just do a direct import themselves. Probably AliExpress will even offer to do it for you, just like they do for other non-EU companies that refuse to play by EU rules, e.g. Xaomi.
- ornitorrincos 3y ago
  Xiaomi does sell in the EU with a EEA specific rom.
rglullis 3y ago
Not just iDevices, but any device that can not be fully controlled by the owner. Hardware should only be allowed to be sold if we are free to install/reinstall the software as we see fit.
surgical_fire 3y ago
I do.

newbie578 3y ago

I find it hilarious how certain people on HN are so pro-corpo. You get a feeling like Apple is part of their family, not a monopolistic giant just needing one excuse to permaban you from their services.

esarbe 3y ago
That's because HN is the private playground of the venture capital tech elite and those who are courting them. Most of the people here would love to be Apple and to abuse the shit out of their users rights in order to make profit. This is not Slashdot.
MagnumOpus 3y ago
A good proportion of these people have the majority of their multi-million dollar wealth tied up in a single on of the FAAMG megacorps, or in a stock portfolio heavily invested in them. As they say, "it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it". Even the ones that are not outright shills and cheerleaders often exhibit motivated reasoning...
- adastra22 3y ago
  I don’t own any Apple stock. Nor is my finances in any way dependent on Apple or other big tech. I don’t even work in software. I just think my life is genuinely improved by having access to Apple products, and find the blond hate and uncompromising takes in this thread to be just as baffling.
  - matwood 3y ago
    I do own some Apple stock, but agree. Maybe I'm old school, but if I don't like a companies product I just don't buy it. This isn't a situation where anyone has to buy Apple products. ~65% of the EU has done just that. The whole blind hate is very weird to me.