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Misleading headline. The root issue, that Vision OS has no support for 180 degree side by side video, isn’t specific to porn. I’m sure there will be 3rd party

by quux 3y ago

Misleading headline. The root issue, that Vision OS has no support for 180 degree side by side video, isn’t specific to porn. I’m sure there will be 3rd party video players that support that format and other common VR video formats in no time. I have some ripped 3D Blu-rays I’d love to watch on a Vision Pro in SBS format.

jmward01 3y ago
Apple has enough product development experience to know this use case exists but I suspect you are right, they didn't support the feature as a whole and the discussion was only partly about the porn use case. The cynic in me suspects the lack of support is more about them preparing an apple friendly (read not friendly to the res of the market) format that they want to force the industry towards.
- Almondsetat 3y ago
  Apple's default video players are severly lacking in almost all of their platforms. Try to open an mp4 file you downloaded on your iPhone or iPad and you will be presented with one of the most atrocious "players" ever. But that's because Apple has never cared to support on-device video viewing on their mobile devices outside the gallery app. They think people only use streaming apps and websites to consume videos so they haven't bothered with it. I'm sure we will get VLC on the Vision Pro or something similar that will take care of it. Platforms that publish 360 content will have to distribute their own custom solutions
  - voisin 3y ago
    > Apple's default video players are severly lacking in almost all of their platforms Try opening the TV app on a multi monitor Mac. It is nearly god damn impossible to make it full screen on the monitor you want rather than the one it happened to open up on originally (I think based on app bar placement which annoyingly cannot be tied to a specific monitor or made to appear on all monitors)
    - mickdarling 3y ago
      To control which monitor an app opens on a multi monitor Mac setup. First hover over the dock on the monitor you want the app to open on. Then open the app. It will treat that monitor like its main monitor.
  - dzhiurgis 3y ago
    I love VLC but it framedrops 60fps videos on M1 Pro which is just bonkers performance
    - reactordev 3y ago
      have you reported this issue to the VLC devs? VLC is by far the player with the most widely supported video codecs. I'm sure they will fix it if you report the issue to them.
  - cityhall 3y ago
    This is probably an extension of their hostility to mp3s. They wanted to force people away from downloaded or ripped content and toward their own store.
    - etchalon 3y ago
      That is ahistoric. Apple was forced into FairPlay by the labels, not by choice. They moved to non-DRM'd M4P as soon the labels let them. As for why they preferred M4P (AAC) to MP3, it was a licensing issue. MP3 was patent encumbered until 2017. Apple, being Apple, didn't want to pay to license the encoder I believe.
      - throw0101b 3y ago
        AAC has licensing / patents: > However, a patent license is required for all manufacturers or developers of AAC "end-user" codecs.[52] The terms (as disclosed to SEC) uses per-unit pricing. In the case of software, each computer running the software is to be considered a separate "unit".[53] […] > The AAC patent holders include Bell Labs, Dolby, ETRI, Fraunhofer, JVC Kenwood, LG Electronics, Microsoft, NEC, NTT (and its subsidiary NTT Docomo), Panasonic, Philips, and Sony Corporation.[16][1] Based on the list of patents from the SEC terms, the last baseline AAC patent expires in 2028, and the last patent for all AAC extensions mentioned expires in 2031.[57] * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding#Licensing_and_patents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding#Licensin...
        etchalon 3y ago
        Yes, AAC is also patent encumbered, but the structure of the fees was apparently "better" for Apple. This was heavily discussed … Jesus, 15 years ago now … when everyone was pissed Apple didn't use MP3s. Basically, AAC was cheaper for Apple so that's what they used. But AAC was as "open" as MP3 and there was never any "lock in".
      - SllX 3y ago
        Small correction although you’re mostly right: m4p is the FairPlay encumbered file extension and unencumbered AAC audio files are (by default in iTunes) m4a.
  - Bud 3y ago
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- Shank 3y ago
  You know that on the Apple Vision Pro, you can't even reorder the homescreen apps, and everything is forced to be alphabetical right? Clearly some corners were cut getting the v1 release shipped. Personas (which are still in beta) are clearly a higher priority than this for Apple.
  - jmward01 3y ago
    Good points. The current product is a combination of prioritization and ability to execute. Some features undoubtedly were intended to make it but were cut/scaled back due to time while others are actual product decisions that indicate the direction Apple is taking us. I suspect the UI is a bit of both. Apple is -very- controlling of their UI and their default always seems to be 'remove the option from the user until we are absolutely forced to give it to them'. I can believe the home screen is a bit of product and time and it is possible the codec stuff is the same, but the cynic in me is still saying Apple has consumer unfriendly reasons for not supporting the codec.
- foobarchu 3y ago
  > The cynic in me suspects the lack of support is more about them preparing an apple friendly (read not friendly to the res of the market) format that they want to force the industry towards. An alternative hypothesis: they're working on a proprietary format that only works on Apple products with no intention of spreading it to the wider indistry. They've got a long history of it (itunes drm on mp3s, iMessage, lightning and various other ports, Airdrop)
  - drcongo 3y ago
    You just repeated the same thing the parent comment said.
  - Bud 3y ago
    [dead]
nabla9 3y ago
Assuming Apple allows 3rd party video players in Vision.
- etchalon 3y ago
  VLC works.
  - nabla9 3y ago
    in 3D?
layer8 3y ago
Does visionOS have an API that allows apps to play “fullscreen” (full-FOV) 3D video?

by quux 3y ago

jmward01 3y ago

Apple has enough product development experience to know this use case exists but I suspect you are right, they didn't support the feature as a whole and the discussion was only partly about the porn use case. The cynic in me suspects the lack of support is more about them preparing an apple friendly (read not friendly to the res of the market) format that they want to force the industry towards.

Almondsetat 3y ago
Apple's default video players are severly lacking in almost all of their platforms. Try to open an mp4 file you downloaded on your iPhone or iPad and you will be presented with one of the most atrocious "players" ever. But that's because Apple has never cared to support on-device video viewing on their mobile devices outside the gallery app. They think people only use streaming apps and websites to consume videos so they haven't bothered with it. I'm sure we will get VLC on the Vision Pro or something similar that will take care of it. Platforms that publish 360 content will have to distribute their own custom solutions
- voisin 3y ago
  > Apple's default video players are severly lacking in almost all of their platforms Try opening the TV app on a multi monitor Mac. It is nearly god damn impossible to make it full screen on the monitor you want rather than the one it happened to open up on originally (I think based on app bar placement which annoyingly cannot be tied to a specific monitor or made to appear on all monitors)
  - mickdarling 3y ago
    To control which monitor an app opens on a multi monitor Mac setup. First hover over the dock on the monitor you want the app to open on. Then open the app. It will treat that monitor like its main monitor.
- dzhiurgis 3y ago
  I love VLC but it framedrops 60fps videos on M1 Pro which is just bonkers performance
  - reactordev 3y ago
    have you reported this issue to the VLC devs? VLC is by far the player with the most widely supported video codecs. I'm sure they will fix it if you report the issue to them.
- cityhall 3y ago
  This is probably an extension of their hostility to mp3s. They wanted to force people away from downloaded or ripped content and toward their own store.
  - etchalon 3y ago
    That is ahistoric. Apple was forced into FairPlay by the labels, not by choice. They moved to non-DRM'd M4P as soon the labels let them. As for why they preferred M4P (AAC) to MP3, it was a licensing issue. MP3 was patent encumbered until 2017. Apple, being Apple, didn't want to pay to license the encoder I believe.
    - throw0101b 3y ago
      AAC has licensing / patents: > However, a patent license is required for all manufacturers or developers of AAC "end-user" codecs.[52] The terms (as disclosed to SEC) uses per-unit pricing. In the case of software, each computer running the software is to be considered a separate "unit".[53] […] > The AAC patent holders include Bell Labs, Dolby, ETRI, Fraunhofer, JVC Kenwood, LG Electronics, Microsoft, NEC, NTT (and its subsidiary NTT Docomo), Panasonic, Philips, and Sony Corporation.[16][1] Based on the list of patents from the SEC terms, the last baseline AAC patent expires in 2028, and the last patent for all AAC extensions mentioned expires in 2031.[57] * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding#Licensing_and_patents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding#Licensin...
      - etchalon 3y ago
        Yes, AAC is also patent encumbered, but the structure of the fees was apparently "better" for Apple. This was heavily discussed … Jesus, 15 years ago now … when everyone was pissed Apple didn't use MP3s. Basically, AAC was cheaper for Apple so that's what they used. But AAC was as "open" as MP3 and there was never any "lock in".
    - SllX 3y ago
      Small correction although you’re mostly right: m4p is the FairPlay encumbered file extension and unencumbered AAC audio files are (by default in iTunes) m4a.
- Bud 3y ago
  [dead]
Shank 3y ago
You know that on the Apple Vision Pro, you can't even reorder the homescreen apps, and everything is forced to be alphabetical right? Clearly some corners were cut getting the v1 release shipped. Personas (which are still in beta) are clearly a higher priority than this for Apple.
- jmward01 3y ago
  Good points. The current product is a combination of prioritization and ability to execute. Some features undoubtedly were intended to make it but were cut/scaled back due to time while others are actual product decisions that indicate the direction Apple is taking us. I suspect the UI is a bit of both. Apple is -very- controlling of their UI and their default always seems to be 'remove the option from the user until we are absolutely forced to give it to them'. I can believe the home screen is a bit of product and time and it is possible the codec stuff is the same, but the cynic in me is still saying Apple has consumer unfriendly reasons for not supporting the codec.
foobarchu 3y ago
> The cynic in me suspects the lack of support is more about them preparing an apple friendly (read not friendly to the res of the market) format that they want to force the industry towards. An alternative hypothesis: they're working on a proprietary format that only works on Apple products with no intention of spreading it to the wider indistry. They've got a long history of it (itunes drm on mp3s, iMessage, lightning and various other ports, Airdrop)
- drcongo 3y ago
  You just repeated the same thing the parent comment said.
- Bud 3y ago
  [dead]

nabla9 3y ago

Assuming Apple allows 3rd party video players in Vision.

etchalon 3y ago
VLC works.
- nabla9 3y ago
  in 3D?

layer8 3y ago

Does visionOS have an API that allows apps to play “fullscreen” (full-FOV) 3D video?