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This article addresses the MacOS vs visionOS thing, but doesn't go hard enough. It is incredibly frustrating that Apple seems determined to serve this up as kid
by peteforde 3y ago
This article addresses the MacOS vs visionOS thing, but doesn't go hard enough. It is incredibly frustrating that Apple seems determined to serve this up as kid gloves experience vs a general purpose computing device with direct access to a real file system and ultimately a shell prompt. I am not in love with how Meta has locked down the Quest but at least there is a thriving sideload app ecosystem.
That is, at least there is a way to load up the media player of your choice and watch porn.
Look, I get that corporate America is strangled by puritan values from the payment processing networks on up, but it is arrogant and willful ignorance to pretend that adult content consumption is not a major part of the VR/MR story.
You want to know what the people who actually use VR the most do with their headsets most of the time? VRChat and SexLikeReal, which is the PornHub of VR if you don't know.
Steve Jobs was a dude who loved to talk about doing LSD but in his later years, he became awkwardly fixated on preventing people from using Apple devices for the stuff most real people do.
He's been gone a long time. It'll be a shame if their vision for spatial blah blah is sanitized and safe for work, even after dark.
- TIPSIO 3y agoApple is trying to mainstream and normalize strapping a giant computer and camera to your face in everyday life. I think having it watered down will actually push the dream of wearable computers for common use by making people feel less uneasy around it.
- peteforde 3y agoCould you explain further? General purpose computing directly implies that each user is free to do what they want with it, just like the MacBook Pro they bought from the same company. The world would be a lot more awesome if people weren't entitled to feel "uneasy" about what people they will never meet are doing legally in the privacy of their own homes.
- rusticpenn 3y agoRemoving any association with users as perverts. Google made that mistake with glass…
- peteforde 3y agoSo, a moral panic some of us are okay with. I don't agree, but I respect that this strategy is seemingly self-evident to a certain brain wiring. PornHub says that red states often represent their heaviest users, demographically. Can you even imagine how different things would be if the rugged individualists defended freedom of thought as passionately as they defended weapons?
- rusticpenn 3y agoI think it’s not just the red states, imagine a viral message asking if you knew that the guy near you on the subway was watching porn on his new gadget.
- ElFitz 3y agoIn some countries some read comics porn or erotica in the subway. I can’t say wether or not it is frowned upon there though. In other countries, souvenir shops sell genitalia-shaped pastries or bottle openers.
- revscat 3y ago> Look, I get that corporate America is strangled by puritan values from the payment processing networks on up, but it is arrogant and willful ignorance to pretend that adult content consumption is not a major part of the VR/MR story. I’m glad to see this sentiment expressed here. I have grown increasingly frustrated with this very thing over the past few years. Anything which even approaches, erotic or titillating is immediately suppressed, censored, and pretended like it never existed in the first place. Apple is one of the worst here, but far away not the only one. All of the AI companies are exactly the same: try and generate an image of a woman and a bathing suit with DALL-E and you will inevitably fail. Instead, they pretend over and over that these are simply productivity devices, meant to enhance our capabilities as workers or consumers of Disney-level entertainment. I am a human being, who occasionally gets horny. I masturbate. This is not something that corporate America recognizes, and in fact, seems eager to censor and suppress. A world curated by conservative HR departments is not one that is particularly appealing to me, and the Vision Pro seems like it is the month of this attitude.
- thih9 3y agoBut corporate America recognizes that you're a human being; most of popular culture is doing its best to make everyone horny or otherwise excited all the time. The fact that we're not served explicit content is a blessing IMHO. I realize this is a bit of a different take, it does seem related though. At the same time I get that you'd like to do what you want with your device and that makes sense too.
- peteforde 3y agoJust be careful not to fall into the trap of equating "being served" with "being able to access". One is sinister and gives pearl clutchers new talking points. The other describes what should be a basic aspect of owning a computer.
- thih9 3y agoAgreed - this is what the second paragraph of my comment is about.
- rootusrootus 3y agoEven on the iPhone it’s one of my regular frustrations that Apple’s autocorrect tries hard to keep me from using profanity. There are some ways to mitigate that but it’s tedious and annoying to have to do so.
- brk 3y agoThat shot is a ducking annoyance!
- computershit 3y agoSame. I have text replacement rules in iOS for pretty much every expletive.
- bousenta 3y agoThis was fixed in one of the recent iOS versions. Works consistently for me without any text replacements.
- jahnu 3y agoTrue, but since then Ill continue to be frustrated that it cant do apostrophes automatically. It used to!
- rootusrootus 3y agoI'll have to look into that. It still won't let me use the F word, for example. It'll give me pretty much any other possible word as an alternative, no matter how hard I try. But this may be because I do most of my regular typing by swiping. I see that I can type in 'fuck' manually and it won't try to replace it. I'm right at the edge of turning off autocorrect altogether, just because it has a habit of changing previous words, not just the one I'm typing. If I only ever talked with very generic English this might be okay, but when I'm using subject matter lingo it fails utterly and becomes a tremendous nuisance to try and convince it to leave that text alone. Sometimes even deleting the correction and re-typing what you want doesn't stop the behavior.
- colechristensen 3y agoForget porn, I'm just annoyed that I have to have an account and Internet access to make my lightbulbs do their thing. Access control and "security" have just become absurd. A car charger shouldn't have to authenticate/authorize me, nor a light switch, a television, a computer display (whether or not it's attached to my face), etc. etc. etc. I'm going to become a luddite and carry wads of cash and wear a tinfoil hat. This is my startup idea: less of this crap. The logo is going to be a rabid woodland creature wearing a tinfoil hat.
- milesvp 3y agoYou’re not wrong, there is a lot of unnecessary vendor lockin. But as someone who has worked on IoT, security is much trickier than you might like. Security for a non wireless device can be completely relegated to physical access to the device. Thus making security the problem of owner of the device in a way that we have accepted security since forever. But as soon as there is a way to access a device from afar… well suddenly there are attack vectors that most people can’t even begin to imagine. And mitigating these attack vectors starts to seem like an unnecessary burden for non technical folk. I even had to deal with issues of a CEO and product owner not being able to wrap their heads around a few attack vectors forcing user experience compromises that they really didn’t like. It is really hard to solve the problem of you being the only person able to turn on and off your light from afar from an arbitrary device (one not paired at the factory). At the end of the day you need some way to pair a device. That’s sort of easy, bluetooth pairing is kind of a solved problem. But now let’s say you want to transfer authorization to turn a light on and off. Well, now you need to pair the device with this new person. As a house guest, they’re not going to take the time to do this for every device you own. So companies rely on other means that often rely on some combination of authenticate authorize in their ecosystem.
- SleepilyLimping 3y agoLearning how to import bulbs into HomeAssistant, or learning how to flash different firmware onto bulbs has been a difficult (yet kinda fun?) way to give myself peace of mind about that. Having that all run on NAS has at least given me some belief it isn't leaving my system.
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- michaelt 3y ago> it is arrogant and willful ignorance to pretend that adult content consumption is not a major part of the VR/MR story. Wilful ignorance - or sensible marketing? Apple's ability to get celebrities and subway riders using their product in public depends on completely denying that it's a $3500 masturbation aid.
- peteforde 3y agoIt's just such an intellectually weak argument coming from a company that sells general purpose computing devices.
- beeboobaa 3y agoApple doesn't sell general purpose computing devices anymore
- canucker2016 3y agoSteve Jobs envisioned the Apple Macintosh as a personal appliance - locked down, no expandability. But with only 128KB or even 512KB, the computer couldn't do a whole lot. Once Jobs left Apple, management expanded the Mac's features. When Jobs acquired Apple, his vision of computing appliances was restarted - iPod, iPhone, et al. They have a lot more functionality, but the iOS walled garden keeps enough of the users happy - at least in the Silicon Valley/USA. Look at early 20th-century Sears-Roebuck shopping catalogs online - one of the pages showed a hand-sized motor and the various attachments one could buy to attach to it - want a blender - get the motor and the blender attachment, et al. An early 20th-century motor-based ecosystem similar to the battery-powered power tools you see today. Eventually the idea of a generic motor that gets specialized with whatever particular attachment you want was refined to combine a motor and each particular attachment into its own separate integrated device - no swapping of motor and attachment anymore. There are pros and cons to both systems, but the integrated specialized appliance approach won for the most part.
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- stevofolife 3y agoWhat is vaseline used for? Does Unilever promote vaseline the way you think Apple should promote their headsets? Answer is no.
- aranelsurion 3y agoDoes Unilever prevent people from using their own vaseline however they like?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoEveryone buys their locked down walled-garden devices we are only allowed to use in a handful of profit-maximizing ways and this is what we get. If they liberated and respected the user they'd be another hardware company.
- ephemeral-life 3y agoIts kindoff a shame. The people who built the foundations of our industry already knew what was coming decades ago and warned us, but we all thought they were crazy and ignored them. Now look at us. Governments can't even succesfully stand up against the control that these systems have over us.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoIt's a huge shame! I try not to use the anyone-who-disagrees argument but I genuinely think that anyone who disagrees lacks imagination. We have been robbed of so many possibilities!
- grepexdev 3y agoThis comment is deeply saddening because of how true it is. This is exactly what has driven me to become a FOSS enthusiast, but sometimes I can't help but feel hopeless about the future of tech in general.
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- dave78 3y ago> Apple seems determined to serve this up as kid gloves experience vs a general purpose computing device with direct access to a real file system and ultimately a shell prompt I think the idea of a general purpose OS without a company involved in deciding whether you are allowed to run programs or not is a thing of the past. If Apple and Microsoft could go back in time and change macOS and Windows to be like iOS where everything has to be approved and signed by Apple they almost certainly would. The only reason they haven't already (IMO) is that people are already used to those platforms being open, and there would be too much outcry to change it. Even then, they are certainly trying to chip away at it... Think how much money would be collected if these companies got to extract 30% of every transaction carried out on every PC in the world. I'm sure they (plus Google) are busy trying to figure out if they can bring the "Apple Tax" concept to the web as well.
- dartos 3y agoThey already have. The easiest way for me to buy something from any stripe or Shopify website (when on an Apple device) is to use Apple Pay.
- moritzwarhier 3y agoBut they aren't collecting 30% from Apple Pay. I assume they only collect juicy data and maybe even charge CC companies for making the service available? Would love an informed reply, sorry for Google Laziness as I'm outdoors
- tiltowait 3y agoApple doesn't charge businesses to use Apple Pay. They do charge the CC companies a fee of 0.15%. This fee might be passed on to the merchant, but I'm not sure if credit card processing fees have actually increased since Apple Pay's introduction. It's been a while since I had any involvement in that world. https://www.checkout.com/blog/apple-pay-for-business https://www.checkout.com/blog/apple-pay-for-business
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- elorant 3y agoI don’t need the glasses to substitute my computer. I want to be able to use them outdoors as an AR device that will give me information on various spots. Even if I could run MacOS why would I write code on that instead of my keyboard that has haptic feedback.
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- dang 3y agoPlease don't do this here.
- PaulHoule 3y agoYeah, maybe Kinect failed because they didn't make a "Kinect Sex" app for it.
- chaostheory 3y agoKinect failed because MS half assed it like they did Windows Mixed Reality, likely due to bean counting. It’s the same reason the Quest Pro was a failure.
- duped 3y ago> I get that corporate America is strangled by puritan values from the payment processing networks on up I think it's just easier for platforms to ban porn rather than deal with the criminal and financial risks of enabling it.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y agoWait, there's no porn on the Vision Pro? That's hilarious to me. $3500 for a device that can't do the number 1 application of its technology.
- pohl 3y agoAm I to understand that no one has ever managed to rub one out with the assistance of their locked down iPhone?
- squokko 3y agoVR headsets are already borderline impossible for 90% of the population to operate. Kid gloves / rails experience is the only way normal people can use it.
- SebFender 3y ago100% - "Closed" platforms are horrible - ok for a phone thing, but if you go in with "this is a computing platform" you have to give me more - especially at this price.
- penjelly 3y agoi find it amusing if you were to use it for p*rn, apple would basically have a full scan of ur private regions