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Pete Buttigieg Viral Tesla Truck Driver with Apple Vision Pro

24 points by thread_id 3y ago

al_borland 3y ago
I’m surprised that would even work. I figured it would be like when Casey Neistat got in the subway and the screens floated away, or turned off while he was walking. I don’t know how the AVP would be able to lock the windows in space when the background is constantly moving. I have to assume this video was made for the memes and not a serious user. Distracted driving aside, if anything happens to the software or hardware which causes the device to turn off, the user is essentially wearing a blindfold while behind the wheel of a car. Autopilot or not, that’s a bad idea.
- namlem 3y ago
  I mean I wouldn't recommend it, but realistically Tesa's autopilot is good enough that you would have the extra 1 second it takes to take off the headset to react.
  - millzlane 3y ago
    I remember from driving school that it only takes one second to have an accident.
    - namlem 3y ago
      Sure but autopilot can brake and steer to avoid an accident. Though apparently the Cybertruck doesn't actually have this yet? That makes this completely fucking crazy.
      - smcl 3y ago
        There have already been accidents where some people have had exactly this opinion - that "autopilot" can brake/steer enough to avoid an accident - and crashed or died as a result.
    - j33zusjuice 3y ago
      That’s true. You never know when someone’s tire’s gonna blow out. And I think the added disorientation from having to hastily remove an unanticipated blindfold would contribute negatively, as well. I could even see myself pausing for a beat thinking it would come back.
      - al_borland 3y ago
        I was driving last week and a shovel fell out of the back of a work truck in front of me on the expressway going 75mph. It bounced erratically across the road. I was hanging back, as I usually do from trucks like that, and was able to slow down to stay well out of the way. The shovel caught some bounces that threw it to the side of the road (through a bunch of cars merging on the expressway). Had I been in a Tesla, following close with autopilot, and screwing around on a headset, I probably would have gotten a shovel through my windshield.
  - zirror 3y ago
    FYI: According to the twitter comments, the Cybertruck does not have autopilot.
    - namlem 3y ago
      Wow wtf? One that this person is doing this without autopilot is crazy. But also crazy that Tesla would ship the Cybertruck without autopilot support.
      - _ea1k 3y ago
        Yeah, Cybertruck is shipping without some of its major features enabled. They also have diff lockers that can't be engaged. :facepalm
    - sharms 3y ago
      Autopilot is a standard Tesla feature which is different than full self driving or FSD.
      - _ea1k 3y ago
        True, but it isn't available on Cybertruck yet. The software is effectively incomplete.
- lathiat 3y ago
  Travel mode (designed for airplanes) fixes that. Which Casey didn’t try.
  - dpcx 3y ago
    But in a plane the background isn't moving... it's the inside of the plane, which is always stationary at least with regards to the passenger. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying you shouldn't need that even on planes.
    - lathiat 3y ago
      You’re assuming the tracking is all visual but it’s not. Uses vision combined with accelerometer, gyro, etc. Which are affected by vehicle movements. Travel mode apparently switches it to track primarily with vision. So it can work as you say.
- SilverBirch 3y ago
  This goes to the core problem of the Tesla self driving system though - it's designed to encourage stupid people to do stupid things. Yes, it's a funny idea, but what this guy has actually done is go out and operated a motor vehicle recklessly and put everyone around him in danger. In my country it's highly likely this driver would be prosecuted for a number of offences if they could identify him (which I'm guessing wouldn't be that tricky).
  - _ea1k 3y ago
    This vehicle doesn't have "self driving" or even auto steer. At most, he's steering it with his knees.
    - SilverBirch 3y ago
      Wut? Tesla's releasing vehicles without the self driving? That can't be right can it?
      - _ea1k 3y ago
        Yeah, it is really weird. TBH, I expected them to ship without "FSD", but was really surprised to see that even basic AP hasn't been enabled. I think it is because of the significantly different vehicle size and camera position.
        bryanlarsen 3y ago
        AFAICT, AP hasn't changed in the last 2 years. I'm not surprised they didn't update the old AP based on an old stack for Cybertruck since they probably think that old stack will be thrown away soon. I imagine they'll first update FSD for the cybertruck, then nerf the new FSD to create a new AP for Cybertruck, and then the new AP will trickle down to other Tesla models.
      - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        FSD is an option, an expensive one at that. I’m pretty sure most Tesla buyers aren’t getting it ATM.
vitiral 3y ago
Tesla and Apple have teamed up for a new commercial, impressive!
jefftk 3y ago
> ALL advanced driver assistance systems available today require the human driver to be in control and fully engaged at all times Maybe this is that he doesn't count anything where the driver does not have to be fully engaged and in control to be driver assistance? Because you can get a Mercedes Benz E-class with Drive Pilot today, which is rated at level three. Under some pretty restrictive conditions [1], you can legally read a book or play games. [1] on the highway, below 40mph, only on specific roads in California and Nevada, daytime, good weather, etc: https://www.mbusa.com/en/owners/manuals/drive-pilot https://www.mbusa.com/en/owners/manuals/drive-pilot
jantissler 3y ago
I’m pretty sure it’s staged. The hand gestures are wrong. Similar, but wrong. There’s a certain set of gesture and some of theirs are not part of it. And you can keep your hands resting in your lap. No need to fumble around like this. My guess: Made for Internet fame. Luckily nobody got harmed …

24 points by thread_id 3y ago

I’m surprised that would even work. I figured it would be like when Casey Neistat got in the subway and the screens floated away, or turned off while he was walking. I don’t know how the AVP would be able to lock the windows in space when the background is constantly moving. I have to assume this video was made for the memes and not a serious user. Distracted driving aside, if anything happens to the software or hardware which causes the device to turn off, the user is essentially wearing a blindfold while behind the wheel of a car. Autopilot or not, that’s a bad idea.

namlem 3y ago
I mean I wouldn't recommend it, but realistically Tesa's autopilot is good enough that you would have the extra 1 second it takes to take off the headset to react.
- millzlane 3y ago
  I remember from driving school that it only takes one second to have an accident.
  - namlem 3y ago
    Sure but autopilot can brake and steer to avoid an accident. Though apparently the Cybertruck doesn't actually have this yet? That makes this completely fucking crazy.
    - smcl 3y ago
      There have already been accidents where some people have had exactly this opinion - that "autopilot" can brake/steer enough to avoid an accident - and crashed or died as a result.
  - j33zusjuice 3y ago
    That’s true. You never know when someone’s tire’s gonna blow out. And I think the added disorientation from having to hastily remove an unanticipated blindfold would contribute negatively, as well. I could even see myself pausing for a beat thinking it would come back.
    - al_borland 3y ago
      I was driving last week and a shovel fell out of the back of a work truck in front of me on the expressway going 75mph. It bounced erratically across the road. I was hanging back, as I usually do from trucks like that, and was able to slow down to stay well out of the way. The shovel caught some bounces that threw it to the side of the road (through a bunch of cars merging on the expressway). Had I been in a Tesla, following close with autopilot, and screwing around on a headset, I probably would have gotten a shovel through my windshield.
- zirror 3y ago
  FYI: According to the twitter comments, the Cybertruck does not have autopilot.
  - namlem 3y ago
    Wow wtf? One that this person is doing this without autopilot is crazy. But also crazy that Tesla would ship the Cybertruck without autopilot support.
    - _ea1k 3y ago
      Yeah, Cybertruck is shipping without some of its major features enabled. They also have diff lockers that can't be engaged. :facepalm
  - sharms 3y ago
    Autopilot is a standard Tesla feature which is different than full self driving or FSD.
    - _ea1k 3y ago
      True, but it isn't available on Cybertruck yet. The software is effectively incomplete.
lathiat 3y ago
Travel mode (designed for airplanes) fixes that. Which Casey didn’t try.
- dpcx 3y ago
  But in a plane the background isn't moving... it's the inside of the plane, which is always stationary at least with regards to the passenger. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying you shouldn't need that even on planes.
  - lathiat 3y ago
    You’re assuming the tracking is all visual but it’s not. Uses vision combined with accelerometer, gyro, etc. Which are affected by vehicle movements. Travel mode apparently switches it to track primarily with vision. So it can work as you say.
SilverBirch 3y ago
This goes to the core problem of the Tesla self driving system though - it's designed to encourage stupid people to do stupid things. Yes, it's a funny idea, but what this guy has actually done is go out and operated a motor vehicle recklessly and put everyone around him in danger. In my country it's highly likely this driver would be prosecuted for a number of offences if they could identify him (which I'm guessing wouldn't be that tricky).
- _ea1k 3y ago
  This vehicle doesn't have "self driving" or even auto steer. At most, he's steering it with his knees.
  - SilverBirch 3y ago
    Wut? Tesla's releasing vehicles without the self driving? That can't be right can it?
    - _ea1k 3y ago
      Yeah, it is really weird. TBH, I expected them to ship without "FSD", but was really surprised to see that even basic AP hasn't been enabled. I think it is because of the significantly different vehicle size and camera position.
      - bryanlarsen 3y ago
        AFAICT, AP hasn't changed in the last 2 years. I'm not surprised they didn't update the old AP based on an old stack for Cybertruck since they probably think that old stack will be thrown away soon. I imagine they'll first update FSD for the cybertruck, then nerf the new FSD to create a new AP for Cybertruck, and then the new AP will trickle down to other Tesla models.
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      FSD is an option, an expensive one at that. I’m pretty sure most Tesla buyers aren’t getting it ATM.

vitiral 3y ago

Tesla and Apple have teamed up for a new commercial, impressive!

jefftk 3y ago

> ALL advanced driver assistance systems available today require the human driver to be in control and fully engaged at all times Maybe this is that he doesn't count anything where the driver does not have to be fully engaged and in control to be driver assistance? Because you can get a Mercedes Benz E-class with Drive Pilot today, which is rated at level three. Under some pretty restrictive conditions [1], you can legally read a book or play games. [1] on the highway, below 40mph, only on specific roads in California and Nevada, daytime, good weather, etc: https://www.mbusa.com/en/owners/manuals/drive-pilot https://www.mbusa.com/en/owners/manuals/drive-pilot

jantissler 3y ago

I’m pretty sure it’s staged. The hand gestures are wrong. Similar, but wrong. There’s a certain set of gesture and some of theirs are not part of it. And you can keep your hands resting in your lap. No need to fumble around like this. My guess: Made for Internet fame. Luckily nobody got harmed …