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Also important for leadership is being a thin-skinned an emerald mine scion who believes in astonishingly racist tropes.

rpmisms 3y ago
Personal attacks generally aren't encouraged on HN, even if you don't like the person.
- Dylan16807 3y ago
  We're evaluating a public figure's ability to lead. That's not a personal attack.
  - rpmisms 3y ago
    > is being a thin-skinned an emerald mine scion who believes in astonishingly racist tropes. That's a personal attack. Talking about failures of planning in mass manufacturing, backlash due to public statements, and casual behavior about publicly traded companies and information related to them, those would be material criticisms that we can discuss civilly. The claims of racism and inheriting some amount of money from a debunked emerald mine conspiracy aren't helpful on their own.
    - Dylan16807 3y ago
      Racism is relevant for a CEO. Thin-skinned is relevant for a CEO. Whether they inherited wealth is relevant for how you judge their wealth. > debunked Kind of? His dad was originally making the claim but is now saying something different. > conspiracy You have a weird definition of conspiracy.
      - rpmisms 3y ago
        Then make the connection between racism and damages to a company relevant to the discussion, or being thin-skinned and the same. There is zero evidence that Elon profited off the emerald mine his dad bought shares in, and the allegation is that he conspired to hide that money somehow. It's a normal definition of conspiracy.
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        > Then make the connection between racism and damages to a company relevant to the discussion, or being thin-skinned and the same. They both have obvious consequences in a leadership position. Obvious consequences are enough. > There is zero evidence that Elon profited off the emerald mine his dad bought shares in, and the allegation is that he conspired to hide that money somehow. It's a normal definition of conspiracy. 1. I have never heard this "hiding money" part of it so I don't think that's the crux of it. 2. "Some guy hid his own money" is not a conspiracy. This is baffling.
        rpmisms 3y ago
        > Obvious consequences are enough. Obvious potential consequences are not enough. This is the richest man in the world, surely you have an example.
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        What does being rich have to do with it? It's hard for someone outside a company to point to a direct consequence of racism in the company leadership. That doesn't make it not-bad for the leadership to be racist. Surely you're not saying it's okay to discriminate as CEO if you make enough money. And if you want a consequence of being thin-skinned, uh, anything to do with twitter? Half his interactions with the SEC?

rpmisms 3y ago

Personal attacks generally aren't encouraged on HN, even if you don't like the person.

Dylan16807 3y ago
We're evaluating a public figure's ability to lead. That's not a personal attack.
- rpmisms 3y ago
  > is being a thin-skinned an emerald mine scion who believes in astonishingly racist tropes. That's a personal attack. Talking about failures of planning in mass manufacturing, backlash due to public statements, and casual behavior about publicly traded companies and information related to them, those would be material criticisms that we can discuss civilly. The claims of racism and inheriting some amount of money from a debunked emerald mine conspiracy aren't helpful on their own.
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    Racism is relevant for a CEO. Thin-skinned is relevant for a CEO. Whether they inherited wealth is relevant for how you judge their wealth. > debunked Kind of? His dad was originally making the claim but is now saying something different. > conspiracy You have a weird definition of conspiracy.
    - rpmisms 3y ago
      Then make the connection between racism and damages to a company relevant to the discussion, or being thin-skinned and the same. There is zero evidence that Elon profited off the emerald mine his dad bought shares in, and the allegation is that he conspired to hide that money somehow. It's a normal definition of conspiracy.
      - Dylan16807 3y ago
        > Then make the connection between racism and damages to a company relevant to the discussion, or being thin-skinned and the same. They both have obvious consequences in a leadership position. Obvious consequences are enough. > There is zero evidence that Elon profited off the emerald mine his dad bought shares in, and the allegation is that he conspired to hide that money somehow. It's a normal definition of conspiracy. 1. I have never heard this "hiding money" part of it so I don't think that's the crux of it. 2. "Some guy hid his own money" is not a conspiracy. This is baffling.
        rpmisms 3y ago
        > Obvious consequences are enough. Obvious potential consequences are not enough. This is the richest man in the world, surely you have an example.
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        What does being rich have to do with it? It's hard for someone outside a company to point to a direct consequence of racism in the company leadership. That doesn't make it not-bad for the leadership to be racist. Surely you're not saying it's okay to discriminate as CEO if you make enough money. And if you want a consequence of being thin-skinned, uh, anything to do with twitter? Half his interactions with the SEC?