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If the message that "Climate change is happening, it will cause starvation, large scale displacement, and regional conflicts, and significant economic disruptio

If the message that "Climate change is happening, it will cause starvation, large scale displacement, and regional conflicts, and significant economic disruption" isn't enough to make people take notice, why would "Here is a list of creatures you have never seen in real life and might live on a different continent from you" would have any impact?

sho_hn 3y ago
It won't, because many of today's children are already growing up used to the lack of biodiversity . If you're living in a large city, wildlife and insects are things you see on Netflix and in video games and sort of abstractly know are somewhere out there. Maybe.
- Fricken 3y ago
  WWII was something most Americans only read about in the news. They were still willing to die for the cause.
richrichie 3y ago
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- spoiler 3y ago
  Well, I think I understand your sentiment. You believe it's racket because it hasn't happened yet, so it's just FUD? I guess it could be, but is it worth ignoring the risk if it isn't just some FUD? This is second-hand anecdotal, but: there are already agricultural issues in Croatia, and the people aren't sure why. A good suspect is global warming, and assuming it is, it probably isn't an isolated case either I know there's lots of politicking and bickering around global warming, but IMO this is something worth putting differences aside to get to the bottom of, and how much of an impact it might have on the planet (and by extension people)
  - richrichie 3y ago
    Are you saying we never had drought in times before co2 concentration went up 0.01 pct points over the last 100 years? The climate change cult language is a lot like that of medieval christian nutcases: “oh there is drought because you angered the God with your sinful behaviour. You must repent with fasting, abstinence and prayers. … oh you say you did all that and still have drought? Thats because you have not prayed hard enough, try again. Or its perhaps God’s will. Now pay your subscription to the church.”
    - defrost 3y ago
      They are not saying the earth has never had a drought before the Industrial Revolution. Frankly it'd be a fool that would think that they did. Since the Industrial Revolution CO2 concentrations have increased by 50%, by half as much as was there for some 10,000 years prior. The physical, engineering reason why comparing CO2 amounts in the amosphere against all other gases in the atmosphere is incorrect is simple - Oxygen and Nitrogen do not insulate - they are not greenhouse gases and do not trap infrared radiation. What is significant is the increase in the amount of insulating gases - this directly ties to the increases in trapped energy. It's a common mistake made by those that don't understand the physics.
      - richrichie 3y ago
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        defrost 3y ago
        No. That's essentially irrelevant to the current dynamics, just as the earth once being molten doesn't negate the cause|effect of recent human activity. I feel almost certain that you're brighter than your comments here so far.
        patcon 3y ago
        Yeah, even if richrichie were correct, they're correct for the wrong reasons Rich, I might humbly recommend looking up "demand avoidance" as a psychological phenomenon. I have a bit of it myself, that I try to be mindful of. It's essentially a pathology of resistance just because something is requested or required. It's possible to have in a systemic sense, and seems like you're feeling resistant to a popular hegemonic thought on principle, then backfilling with attempts at reason

sho_hn 3y ago

It won't, because many of today's children are already growing up used to the lack of biodiversity . If you're living in a large city, wildlife and insects are things you see on Netflix and in video games and sort of abstractly know are somewhere out there. Maybe.

Fricken 3y ago
WWII was something most Americans only read about in the news. They were still willing to die for the cause.

richrichie 3y ago

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spoiler 3y ago
Well, I think I understand your sentiment. You believe it's racket because it hasn't happened yet, so it's just FUD? I guess it could be, but is it worth ignoring the risk if it isn't just some FUD? This is second-hand anecdotal, but: there are already agricultural issues in Croatia, and the people aren't sure why. A good suspect is global warming, and assuming it is, it probably isn't an isolated case either I know there's lots of politicking and bickering around global warming, but IMO this is something worth putting differences aside to get to the bottom of, and how much of an impact it might have on the planet (and by extension people)
- richrichie 3y ago
  Are you saying we never had drought in times before co2 concentration went up 0.01 pct points over the last 100 years? The climate change cult language is a lot like that of medieval christian nutcases: “oh there is drought because you angered the God with your sinful behaviour. You must repent with fasting, abstinence and prayers. … oh you say you did all that and still have drought? Thats because you have not prayed hard enough, try again. Or its perhaps God’s will. Now pay your subscription to the church.”
  - defrost 3y ago
    They are not saying the earth has never had a drought before the Industrial Revolution. Frankly it'd be a fool that would think that they did. Since the Industrial Revolution CO2 concentrations have increased by 50%, by half as much as was there for some 10,000 years prior. The physical, engineering reason why comparing CO2 amounts in the amosphere against all other gases in the atmosphere is incorrect is simple - Oxygen and Nitrogen do not insulate - they are not greenhouse gases and do not trap infrared radiation. What is significant is the increase in the amount of insulating gases - this directly ties to the increases in trapped energy. It's a common mistake made by those that don't understand the physics.
    - richrichie 3y ago
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      - defrost 3y ago
        No. That's essentially irrelevant to the current dynamics, just as the earth once being molten doesn't negate the cause|effect of recent human activity. I feel almost certain that you're brighter than your comments here so far.
        patcon 3y ago
        Yeah, even if richrichie were correct, they're correct for the wrong reasons Rich, I might humbly recommend looking up "demand avoidance" as a psychological phenomenon. I have a bit of it myself, that I try to be mindful of. It's essentially a pathology of resistance just because something is requested or required. It's possible to have in a systemic sense, and seems like you're feeling resistant to a popular hegemonic thought on principle, then backfilling with attempts at reason