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> If the anecdotes are accurate > It's also certainly not clear that Elon has an engineering-first mindset If A, then B. Struggle with definitions all we wan
by rpmisms 3y ago
> If the anecdotes are accurate
> It's also certainly not clear that Elon has an engineering-first mindset
If A, then B.
Struggle with definitions all we want, Boeing needs a dose of Musk's attitude towards engineering and manufacturing. It is the most important thing they do, and I don't think the C-suite understands that. That's the most distilled version of what I'm saying. Musk is the best recent example of this attitude, but Henry Ford is an excellent older example.
- BoxFour 3y ago> If A, then B If Elon's thoroughly understands the products his companies develop, he has an engineering-first mindset? That logic would also apply to many CEOs we wouldn't consider "engineering-first" CEOs. > Struggle with definitions all we want, For me, this is the only discussion. My focus is not at all on whether Elon would be a good fit for Boeing. I don't give a shit about that conversation.
- rpmisms 3y agoI don't want Elon to run Boeing, that's never been part of my argument. I want leadership at Boeing that elevates engineers, understands that engineering is absolutely critical, and punishes bean-counters for pushing against a good engineering culture.
- KerrAvon 3y agoAlso important for leadership is being a thin-skinned an emerald mine scion who believes in astonishingly racist tropes.
- rpmisms 3y agoPersonal attacks generally aren't encouraged on HN, even if you don't like the person.
- Dylan16807 3y agoWe're evaluating a public figure's ability to lead. That's not a personal attack.
- rpmisms 3y ago> is being a thin-skinned an emerald mine scion who believes in astonishingly racist tropes. That's a personal attack. Talking about failures of planning in mass manufacturing, backlash due to public statements, and casual behavior about publicly traded companies and information related to them, those would be material criticisms that we can discuss civilly. The claims of racism and inheriting some amount of money from a debunked emerald mine conspiracy aren't helpful on their own.
- Dylan16807 3y agoRacism is relevant for a CEO. Thin-skinned is relevant for a CEO. Whether they inherited wealth is relevant for how you judge their wealth. > debunked Kind of? His dad was originally making the claim but is now saying something different. > conspiracy You have a weird definition of conspiracy.
- rpmisms 3y agoThen make the connection between racism and damages to a company relevant to the discussion, or being thin-skinned and the same. There is zero evidence that Elon profited off the emerald mine his dad bought shares in, and the allegation is that he conspired to hide that money somehow. It's a normal definition of conspiracy.
- Dylan16807 3y ago> Then make the connection between racism and damages to a company relevant to the discussion, or being thin-skinned and the same. They both have obvious consequences in a leadership position. Obvious consequences are enough. > There is zero evidence that Elon profited off the emerald mine his dad bought shares in, and the allegation is that he conspired to hide that money somehow. It's a normal definition of conspiracy. 1. I have never heard this "hiding money" part of it so I don't think that's the crux of it. 2. "Some guy hid his own money" is not a conspiracy. This is baffling.