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Quick question: is it comfortable?

by robg 3y ago

exitb 3y ago
That’s the main question. And I suspect, the reason why Apple has not pitched that sort of desk setup. I doubt this is comfortable enough to provide a full day, every day usage.
- robg 3y ago
  Why I’m asking, feels a bit like the old iPad / desktop shorthand on consumption vs creation. I liked one review that compared Vision Pro to a highend TV, but not convinced it’s worth more than that.
  - lexlash 3y ago
    90% of my usage has been watching media. It won’t pair with laptops (haven’t had time to debug) and the eye-based UI isn’t great, and is outright awful when navigating iPad apps that don’t have working highlights. Scroll and tap gestures are amazingly smooth and accurate; it’s frustrating that there aren’t more ways to use that - I need to dig around in accessibility, I suspect…
corethree 3y ago
I think a recliner set up could work. In that position you can wear it all day.
- xnx 3y ago
  I'm disappointed by how shallow even "in depth" reviews are that they don't mention this. A reclined position basically eliminates weight and balance issues. Additionally, using a traditional monitor in a reclined position is very difficult.
  - cubefox 3y ago
    For Meta's Quest headsets, third party manufacturers sell solid "halo" head straps, which are much more comfortable by distributing the weight mostly on top of the head instead of just pressing the headset to the face. Basically imitations of Sony's PlayStation VR. The top manufacturer is BoboVR, but they obviously haven't yet made one for the Vision Pro. I don't get why Meta and Apple don't include this as the default, given that it's obviously the optimal solution. Then again, at least Apple even used a heavy and unnecessary metal frame in the headset, so ergonomics clearly isn't their top priority.
    - Ancapistani 3y ago
      On the bright side, the AVP's "Lightning-like" connector for the arms means that it's at least theoretically possible for third parties to design whatever mounting hardware people want.
  - trevorkoob 3y ago
    testing lying down as we speak. Much more comfortable. The killer market for this device is business airline travel.
    - ghaff 3y ago
      I'll admit that air travel is the opportunity to read books and watch films that I don't do enough of at home.
  - layer8 3y ago
    > Additionally, using a traditional monitor in a reclined position is very difficult. A monitor isn’t much of an issue, just use a VESA mount. Keyboarding is more difficult in a reclined position, unless you can use it fully blind.
giarc 3y ago
Most reviews have said it's noticeable after a few hours, which is ok since the battery only lasts for 2.5 hours or so.
- robg 3y ago
  That’s a movie though, not work. And taking it off for a lunch or snack break, does the user feel sore putting it back on? Is the 3rd or 4th session of the day so uncomfortable as to be limiting for an 8 hour work day?
cubefox 3y ago
I watched a few reviews. Some reviewers say it's not too heavy even after extended periods of time, others say it already gets uncomfortable on the face after 45 minutes with the default head strap. Some say the double head strap is much better, others say it doesn't make a big difference over the normal one.
- lexlash 3y ago
  The big question is how it fits with your face and how sensitive you are to blur. The sweet spot requires precise positioning on your face - which means a tighter pull on the strap to hold it, and more discomfort if it was already uncomfortable.
- kj99 3y ago
  I don’t notice the weight, and I’ve used mine for at least 4 hours a day since Friday. For me it was literally painful with the solo loop after less than 20 minutes, whereas with then dual loop it’s absolutely fine. There are lot of different shaped heads out there.
lexlash 3y ago
Yes and no. In order to get and maintain the best possible clarity, key for text, I have to wear it higher on my face than is comfortable and tighten the strap more than I would prefer. If I could wear it a little lower or with different supports on my face I could easily spend a full day in it; as it is, I’ve yet to spend more than 4h with it on. I find the Meta Quest Pro and 3 more comfortable, but the CV1 was the most comfortable. Can’t imagine using those for productivity though; the 3 is _ok_ for text but not stellar, and the pass through mode there is a joke compared to the Vision Pro. Viture and NReal (XReal now, I guess?) AR glasses don’t compare at all. Vastly more comfortable (if your face isn’t too wide) but tiny FOV and lots of fiddling required to get sharp text, with unavoidable blur at the edges of the screen. …I guess I’ve been an enthusiast since the Rift Kickstarter?
- Eugr 3y ago
  I have an Xreal Air and don't find it comfortable at all unless I'm laying down. I have to use optical inserts, and it just keeps sliding down my nose all the time. Quest 3 is vastly more comfortable for me, especially with the Elite strap. Quest Pro, on the other hand, wasn't as comfortable due to the pressure to the forehead... I'll get my AVP later today, will compare then.
  - lexlash 3y ago
    Got LASIK in order to do research on stuff like this. I hated jamming my glasses in between my face and CV1; I can’t imagine the xreal working well with inserts - I have to keep it very close to my face in order for it to function.
    - Eugr 3y ago
      Even without the inserts and with contacts it was only marginally usable - it has a very narrow sweet spot and requires precise positioning. Not a big issue when watching movies, but a huge one when mirroring the laptop screen...
- wkat4242 3y ago
  > …I guess I’ve been an enthusiast since the Rift Kickstarter? The rift CV1 was really comfortable because there wasn't a whole lot in it. No processing, no battery, no cameras. It was pretty light. And the strap was not built down to a price and skimped on to upsell the elite straps. Even the much heavier quest 1 was way more comfortable than the quest 2 and 3. Way better standard strap. So good an elite one wasn't even needed.
orionsbelt 3y ago
This is largely personal, as everyone’s face/head is different. Personally, it’s the most comfortable headset I’ve ever used. Many people recommend the dual loop strap, but I actually love the solo band and find it super comfortable. Many people are also experimenting with different ways to wear it. For example, I have been wearing mine with no light seal, which increases the FOV and I surprisingly find more comfortable. I think people need time to adapt on how to best wear it, and third party mods will be a thing. All that said, I wouldn’t want to wear it for 8 hours straight. It will continue to get lighter and more comfortable each generation.
- dawnerd 3y ago
  I tried the dual loop and it ended up being more uncomfortable. It's really down to each persons build. For me I couldn't wear without a light seal, my eyebrows would touch the glass, and kinda already do with the normal cushion. Once you figure out how to get it just right it's pretty easy to stay in it for a lot longer. I went about six hours yesterday without any discomfort (I did get a smudge on the lens and was too stubborn to clean it).

Quick question: is it comfortable?

by robg 3y ago

Quick question: is it comfortable?

That’s the main question. And I suspect, the reason why Apple has not pitched that sort of desk setup. I doubt this is comfortable enough to provide a full day, every day usage.

robg 3y ago
Why I’m asking, feels a bit like the old iPad / desktop shorthand on consumption vs creation. I liked one review that compared Vision Pro to a highend TV, but not convinced it’s worth more than that.
- lexlash 3y ago
  90% of my usage has been watching media. It won’t pair with laptops (haven’t had time to debug) and the eye-based UI isn’t great, and is outright awful when navigating iPad apps that don’t have working highlights. Scroll and tap gestures are amazingly smooth and accurate; it’s frustrating that there aren’t more ways to use that - I need to dig around in accessibility, I suspect…

corethree 3y ago

I think a recliner set up could work. In that position you can wear it all day.

xnx 3y ago
I'm disappointed by how shallow even "in depth" reviews are that they don't mention this. A reclined position basically eliminates weight and balance issues. Additionally, using a traditional monitor in a reclined position is very difficult.
- cubefox 3y ago
  For Meta's Quest headsets, third party manufacturers sell solid "halo" head straps, which are much more comfortable by distributing the weight mostly on top of the head instead of just pressing the headset to the face. Basically imitations of Sony's PlayStation VR. The top manufacturer is BoboVR, but they obviously haven't yet made one for the Vision Pro. I don't get why Meta and Apple don't include this as the default, given that it's obviously the optimal solution. Then again, at least Apple even used a heavy and unnecessary metal frame in the headset, so ergonomics clearly isn't their top priority.
  - Ancapistani 3y ago
    On the bright side, the AVP's "Lightning-like" connector for the arms means that it's at least theoretically possible for third parties to design whatever mounting hardware people want.
- trevorkoob 3y ago
  testing lying down as we speak. Much more comfortable. The killer market for this device is business airline travel.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    I'll admit that air travel is the opportunity to read books and watch films that I don't do enough of at home.
- layer8 3y ago
  > Additionally, using a traditional monitor in a reclined position is very difficult. A monitor isn’t much of an issue, just use a VESA mount. Keyboarding is more difficult in a reclined position, unless you can use it fully blind.

giarc 3y ago

Most reviews have said it's noticeable after a few hours, which is ok since the battery only lasts for 2.5 hours or so.

robg 3y ago
That’s a movie though, not work. And taking it off for a lunch or snack break, does the user feel sore putting it back on? Is the 3rd or 4th session of the day so uncomfortable as to be limiting for an 8 hour work day?

cubefox 3y ago

I watched a few reviews. Some reviewers say it's not too heavy even after extended periods of time, others say it already gets uncomfortable on the face after 45 minutes with the default head strap. Some say the double head strap is much better, others say it doesn't make a big difference over the normal one.

lexlash 3y ago
The big question is how it fits with your face and how sensitive you are to blur. The sweet spot requires precise positioning on your face - which means a tighter pull on the strap to hold it, and more discomfort if it was already uncomfortable.
kj99 3y ago
I don’t notice the weight, and I’ve used mine for at least 4 hours a day since Friday. For me it was literally painful with the solo loop after less than 20 minutes, whereas with then dual loop it’s absolutely fine. There are lot of different shaped heads out there.

lexlash 3y ago

Yes and no. In order to get and maintain the best possible clarity, key for text, I have to wear it higher on my face than is comfortable and tighten the strap more than I would prefer. If I could wear it a little lower or with different supports on my face I could easily spend a full day in it; as it is, I’ve yet to spend more than 4h with it on. I find the Meta Quest Pro and 3 more comfortable, but the CV1 was the most comfortable. Can’t imagine using those for productivity though; the 3 is _ok_ for text but not stellar, and the pass through mode there is a joke compared to the Vision Pro. Viture and NReal (XReal now, I guess?) AR glasses don’t compare at all. Vastly more comfortable (if your face isn’t too wide) but tiny FOV and lots of fiddling required to get sharp text, with unavoidable blur at the edges of the screen. …I guess I’ve been an enthusiast since the Rift Kickstarter?

Eugr 3y ago
I have an Xreal Air and don't find it comfortable at all unless I'm laying down. I have to use optical inserts, and it just keeps sliding down my nose all the time. Quest 3 is vastly more comfortable for me, especially with the Elite strap. Quest Pro, on the other hand, wasn't as comfortable due to the pressure to the forehead... I'll get my AVP later today, will compare then.
- lexlash 3y ago
  Got LASIK in order to do research on stuff like this. I hated jamming my glasses in between my face and CV1; I can’t imagine the xreal working well with inserts - I have to keep it very close to my face in order for it to function.
  - Eugr 3y ago
    Even without the inserts and with contacts it was only marginally usable - it has a very narrow sweet spot and requires precise positioning. Not a big issue when watching movies, but a huge one when mirroring the laptop screen...
wkat4242 3y ago
> …I guess I’ve been an enthusiast since the Rift Kickstarter? The rift CV1 was really comfortable because there wasn't a whole lot in it. No processing, no battery, no cameras. It was pretty light. And the strap was not built down to a price and skimped on to upsell the elite straps. Even the much heavier quest 1 was way more comfortable than the quest 2 and 3. Way better standard strap. So good an elite one wasn't even needed.

orionsbelt 3y ago

This is largely personal, as everyone’s face/head is different. Personally, it’s the most comfortable headset I’ve ever used. Many people recommend the dual loop strap, but I actually love the solo band and find it super comfortable. Many people are also experimenting with different ways to wear it. For example, I have been wearing mine with no light seal, which increases the FOV and I surprisingly find more comfortable. I think people need time to adapt on how to best wear it, and third party mods will be a thing. All that said, I wouldn’t want to wear it for 8 hours straight. It will continue to get lighter and more comfortable each generation.

dawnerd 3y ago
I tried the dual loop and it ended up being more uncomfortable. It's really down to each persons build. For me I couldn't wear without a light seal, my eyebrows would touch the glass, and kinda already do with the normal cushion. Once you figure out how to get it just right it's pretty easy to stay in it for a lot longer. I went about six hours yesterday without any discomfort (I did get a smudge on the lens and was too stubborn to clean it).