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Check out https://www.flightsfrom.com/explorer/LAS https://www.flightsfrom.com/explorer/LAS — particularly comparing its direct flights from all over the contin

by raldi 3y ago

Check out https://www.flightsfrom.com/explorer/LAS https://www.flightsfrom.com/explorer/LAS — particularly comparing its direct flights from all over the continental US to the same for other American cities.

_cenw 3y ago
That settles it, DEF CON in Dubai, London or Amsterdam. I vote for Amsterdam. Frankfurt also has the most international destinations (just not volume). (Probably not Dubai, considering a few speakers would be thrown out at the border - or worse if they get though. It's also artificially inflated because it's almost all transit traffic). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_airports_by_international_passenger_traffic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_airports_by_in...
- wodenokoto 3y ago
  > It's also artificially inflated because it's almost all transit traffic Dubai is a center for large conferences and Expos. The row of High rise hotels along Sheik Zayed Road across from Dubai World Trade Center (the largest exhibition hall in Dubai) is astounding. Gitex, Gulfood and Arab Health are all conference that are largest in their class world wide. And while A lot of DXBs traffic is transfers, the city does see 15 million international visitors a year, putting it in the top 5 most visited cities. They can easily accommodate Def Con. There’s a lot to criticize Dubai for, but they literally built the city to be a center for international conferences.
  - pbhjpbhj 3y ago
    >but they literally built the city to be a center for international conferences. // Well, they literally enslaved foreign men to work as indentured workers, stripping their human rights, in order to build the city...
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    > center for large conferences and Expos Aimed largely at the MENA, SAARC, and a bit of the APJ market. Most DefCon attendees are in North America, which makes the flight to the UAE hellishly long and expensive. Most attendees are also expensing the trip, so a $700-900 round trip ticket plus an additional $500-700 for hotels makes Managers balk, as that's a major expense coming out of your yearly budget. Also, DefCon sponsors largely showed up because it was occuring around the same time and same location as BlackHat Source: travelled a lot for corporate tech conferences in my PM days.
  - _cenw 3y ago
    > There’s a lot to criticize Dubai for Terrible location for any conference that cares about everyone being able to attend. While one could argue about "hiding the gay" (I'd still say that's hard to impossible), I would never be able to attend as visibly trans.
  - brettermeier 3y ago
    No community which has a healthy amount thinking about ethics and stuff would want to go to Dubai. Sorry but Dubai is one of the worst rich citys in existence.
- eunos 3y ago
  Vote for Qatar since they offer most visa-free access.
- raldi 3y ago
  If we’re ignoring the second sentence of my reply, Anchorage would probably be the winner.
  - _cenw 3y ago
    If we're ignoring your ninja edit.
- nebula8804 3y ago
  Europe has CCC. CCC is older than DEFCON. It sucks for Americans to go across the ocean. Also given that I just came back from a month long eurotrip, hospitality services in post COVID Europe is even worse than it was before COVID. I'll stay in Vegas.

by raldi 3y ago

_cenw 3y ago

That settles it, DEF CON in Dubai, London or Amsterdam. I vote for Amsterdam. Frankfurt also has the most international destinations (just not volume). (Probably not Dubai, considering a few speakers would be thrown out at the border - or worse if they get though. It's also artificially inflated because it's almost all transit traffic). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_airports_by_international_passenger_traffic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_airports_by_in...

wodenokoto 3y ago
> It's also artificially inflated because it's almost all transit traffic Dubai is a center for large conferences and Expos. The row of High rise hotels along Sheik Zayed Road across from Dubai World Trade Center (the largest exhibition hall in Dubai) is astounding. Gitex, Gulfood and Arab Health are all conference that are largest in their class world wide. And while A lot of DXBs traffic is transfers, the city does see 15 million international visitors a year, putting it in the top 5 most visited cities. They can easily accommodate Def Con. There’s a lot to criticize Dubai for, but they literally built the city to be a center for international conferences.
- pbhjpbhj 3y ago
  >but they literally built the city to be a center for international conferences. // Well, they literally enslaved foreign men to work as indentured workers, stripping their human rights, in order to build the city...
- alephnerd 3y ago
  > center for large conferences and Expos Aimed largely at the MENA, SAARC, and a bit of the APJ market. Most DefCon attendees are in North America, which makes the flight to the UAE hellishly long and expensive. Most attendees are also expensing the trip, so a $700-900 round trip ticket plus an additional $500-700 for hotels makes Managers balk, as that's a major expense coming out of your yearly budget. Also, DefCon sponsors largely showed up because it was occuring around the same time and same location as BlackHat Source: travelled a lot for corporate tech conferences in my PM days.
- _cenw 3y ago
  > There’s a lot to criticize Dubai for Terrible location for any conference that cares about everyone being able to attend. While one could argue about "hiding the gay" (I'd still say that's hard to impossible), I would never be able to attend as visibly trans.
- brettermeier 3y ago
  No community which has a healthy amount thinking about ethics and stuff would want to go to Dubai. Sorry but Dubai is one of the worst rich citys in existence.
eunos 3y ago
Vote for Qatar since they offer most visa-free access.
raldi 3y ago
If we’re ignoring the second sentence of my reply, Anchorage would probably be the winner.
- _cenw 3y ago
  If we're ignoring your ninja edit.
nebula8804 3y ago
Europe has CCC. CCC is older than DEFCON. It sucks for Americans to go across the ocean. Also given that I just came back from a month long eurotrip, hospitality services in post COVID Europe is even worse than it was before COVID. I'll stay in Vegas.