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Biggest Wikileaker Joshua Adam Schulte Sentenced to 40 years

54 points by porsager 3y ago

Daishiman 3y ago
Makes me think that the child porn was planted by the FBI...
- sarcasmatwork 3y ago
  It would not be the first time. https://twitter.com/JohnKiriakou/status/1682043052142231552 https://twitter.com/JohnKiriakou/status/1682043052142231552 https://www.techdirt.com/2017/01/06/fbi-dismisses-child-porn-prosecution-after-refusing-to-hand-over-details-hacking-tool/ https://www.techdirt.com/2017/01/06/fbi-dismisses-child-porn...
  - jstarfish 3y ago
    That first link is hearsay. That second link is not evidence that they planted it. It's evidence of them using illegal means to discover it. These are not the same thing. Faking probable cause to search your car is not evidence that they planted drugs. Same as being exonerated for a wrongful conviction. It doesn't mean you didn't actually commit the crime and should let a wrongfully-convicted pedophile manage your daycare center. You really need to dig deeper than the headline to know what was wrongful about the conviction-- the actual offender later being caught is not the same as a procedural error by the prosecutor. Given that possession isn't the only charge for Schulte, it wasn't planted. None of this was even necessary to make the case; they could easily have dropped these charges.
- deleted 3y ago
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- HaZeust 3y ago
  From the Reddit AMA "I am Andrew Bustamante, a former covert CIA intelligence officer and founder of the Everyday Espionage training platform. Ask me anything." > "Does the cia use child prostitutes to control assets?" > "I plead the 5th. The things we use to control assets are unsettling enough without going into details." https://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/a8c03j/i_am_andrew_bustamante_a_former_covert_cia/ecat22z/ https://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/a8c03j/i_am_andrew_bus...
apantel 3y ago
All of the blah blah blah about “damage to national security”. If any single person with access to these networks can do this kind of damage if they so happen to wake up on the wrong side of the bed one day, then ‘national security’ is not a secure system. It’s as secure as how those tens or hundreds of thousands of people with security clearance feel in the morning… Which is true of basically any company too. They’re not secure because all it takes is a trusted person to go rogue.
- gertop 3y ago
  > They’re not secure because all it takes is a trusted person to go rogue. That's right, which is exactly why we have hefty consequences when someone does it. What would you suggest be an alternative? Have no secrets? Give medals to leakers?
  - scotty79 3y ago
    Having no secrets seem like ideal end goal. Especially for the true top dog. True awesomeness should be witnessed. Secrets are for the weak.
    - vivzkestrel 3y ago
      sorry to break your little bubble but it doesnt work like that in the real world. Even if you opened every single secret in your country, there are hostile countries out there that wont share the same goodwill with you. Even if both of you told each other "look these are all my secrets" there is always the lingering question whether that was everything or not. I think this is called Prisoner's dilemma iirc
      - actuallyrizzn 3y ago
        Bummer. But who cares? If we can't live by our principles, wtf is the point of having them?
    - phantomathkg 3y ago
ChrisArchitect 3y ago
[dupe] More discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39223800 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39223800
devwastaken 3y ago
Actual violent offenders, murderers, molestors, rapists, etc get far less time and better circumstances. Leakers continue to leak because the majority of the u.s. population believe their government is corrupt and deserves to be exposed. Said government would produce better outcomes by not continually proving their corruption. Federal corruption is concrete history, it's there on Wikipedia to read, but only the allowed parts. It's a big club, you ain't in it, and theyre deciding your life for you.
- mvdtnz 3y ago
  Schulte is in fact a rapist and molester. Go ahead, read his Wikipedia page. Dude is not a good person.
  - bdjsiqoocwk 3y ago
    Just had a look. Seems like he probably deserved that sentence for the CSAM alone.
    - fsflover 3y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39256193 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39256193
slick99 3y ago
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54 points by porsager 3y ago

Daishiman 3y ago

Makes me think that the child porn was planted by the FBI...

sarcasmatwork 3y ago
It would not be the first time. https://twitter.com/JohnKiriakou/status/1682043052142231552 https://twitter.com/JohnKiriakou/status/1682043052142231552 https://www.techdirt.com/2017/01/06/fbi-dismisses-child-porn-prosecution-after-refusing-to-hand-over-details-hacking-tool/ https://www.techdirt.com/2017/01/06/fbi-dismisses-child-porn...
- jstarfish 3y ago
  That first link is hearsay. That second link is not evidence that they planted it. It's evidence of them using illegal means to discover it. These are not the same thing. Faking probable cause to search your car is not evidence that they planted drugs. Same as being exonerated for a wrongful conviction. It doesn't mean you didn't actually commit the crime and should let a wrongfully-convicted pedophile manage your daycare center. You really need to dig deeper than the headline to know what was wrongful about the conviction-- the actual offender later being caught is not the same as a procedural error by the prosecutor. Given that possession isn't the only charge for Schulte, it wasn't planted. None of this was even necessary to make the case; they could easily have dropped these charges.
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HaZeust 3y ago
From the Reddit AMA "I am Andrew Bustamante, a former covert CIA intelligence officer and founder of the Everyday Espionage training platform. Ask me anything." > "Does the cia use child prostitutes to control assets?" > "I plead the 5th. The things we use to control assets are unsettling enough without going into details." https://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/a8c03j/i_am_andrew_bustamante_a_former_covert_cia/ecat22z/ https://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/a8c03j/i_am_andrew_bus...

apantel 3y ago

All of the blah blah blah about “damage to national security”. If any single person with access to these networks can do this kind of damage if they so happen to wake up on the wrong side of the bed one day, then ‘national security’ is not a secure system. It’s as secure as how those tens or hundreds of thousands of people with security clearance feel in the morning… Which is true of basically any company too. They’re not secure because all it takes is a trusted person to go rogue.

gertop 3y ago
> They’re not secure because all it takes is a trusted person to go rogue. That's right, which is exactly why we have hefty consequences when someone does it. What would you suggest be an alternative? Have no secrets? Give medals to leakers?
- scotty79 3y ago
  Having no secrets seem like ideal end goal. Especially for the true top dog. True awesomeness should be witnessed. Secrets are for the weak.
  - vivzkestrel 3y ago
    sorry to break your little bubble but it doesnt work like that in the real world. Even if you opened every single secret in your country, there are hostile countries out there that wont share the same goodwill with you. Even if both of you told each other "look these are all my secrets" there is always the lingering question whether that was everything or not. I think this is called Prisoner's dilemma iirc
    - actuallyrizzn 3y ago
      Bummer. But who cares? If we can't live by our principles, wtf is the point of having them?
  - phantomathkg 3y ago

ChrisArchitect 3y ago

[dupe] More discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39223800 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39223800

devwastaken 3y ago

Actual violent offenders, murderers, molestors, rapists, etc get far less time and better circumstances. Leakers continue to leak because the majority of the u.s. population believe their government is corrupt and deserves to be exposed. Said government would produce better outcomes by not continually proving their corruption. Federal corruption is concrete history, it's there on Wikipedia to read, but only the allowed parts. It's a big club, you ain't in it, and theyre deciding your life for you.

mvdtnz 3y ago
Schulte is in fact a rapist and molester. Go ahead, read his Wikipedia page. Dude is not a good person.
- bdjsiqoocwk 3y ago
  Just had a look. Seems like he probably deserved that sentence for the CSAM alone.
  - fsflover 3y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39256193 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39256193

slick99 3y ago

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