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The Apple Vision Pro is spectacular and sad
- lolinder 3y agohttps://archive.md/xrOD2 https://archive.md/xrOD2
- Jtsummers 3y agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20240204094929/https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/02/apple-vision-pro-headset-review/677347/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240204094929/https://www.theat... Sorry, I had meant to post the archive link with it.
- moolcool 3y agoBad link https://archive.is/xrOD2 https://archive.is/xrOD2
- lolinder 3y agoDoes archive.md not work for you? archive.md, archive.is, archive.ph, and archive.today should in theory all resolve to the same service. Where I'm at they're even the same IP.
- moolcool 3y agoNo, I get a connection reset error. It might be my ISP being bastardly though.
- jsheard 3y agoIf you use Cloudflare DNS that's why, for some reason archive.is goes out of its way to not be resolvable via them.
- mtmail 3y agorelated "Tell HN: Archive.is inaccessible via Cloudflare DNS (1.1.1.1)" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317
- mvdtnz 3y agoI'm guessing you use CloudFlare DNS? The owner of archive is in a completely ridiculous spat with CloudFlare and now refuses to serve DNS information to requests originating from CloudFlare 1.1.1.1.
- dang 3y ago(We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39255524 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39255524)
- ilrwbwrkhv 3y agoI think now is actually a special time. All FAANG including Apple have faltered. Now is the time to make the next big thing. A linux based AR glasses which actually works.
- syncsynchalt 3y ago2024, the year of Linux on the ski goggle.
- Gare 3y agoSadly, Alpine is already taken
- mattlondon 3y agoIt is a struggle to even get Bluetooth working on Linux, forget about AR headsets! I think apple missed the boat here anyway - the next big thing is not AR or VR despite Apple and Facebook betting the farm on it ... They both missed this AI thing and got distracted by VR.
- willsmith72 3y agoyou don't "miss" AI. you can be slower to adapt, but on a large enough timescale, that quickly becomes irrelevant. even chrome was only released in 2008
- smoldesu 3y agoTo be fair, Linux is the backbone of the entire Quest lineup. If it was a limiting factor then I don't see why Oculus was so quick to market.
- Der_Einzige 3y agoThese days the N in the FAANG stands for Nvidia and it has not faltered at all.
- NoxiousPluK 3y agoI feel Valve is working on that with the Deckard project.
- lolinder 3y ago> For a time, at what may have been the height of the internet’s thrall, it became popular to pretend that the digital and material worlds were continuous—that the “real” one had no special meaning, because cyberspace had become a part of it. That turned out to be wrong. We live in cars and on couches and, separately, we also live on phones. Apple believes it can resolve this conflict—that the digital and material worlds can be merged together—but it has only put the conflict into higher resolution. A headset is a pair of spectacles, but a headset is also a blindfold. This is a really poignant conclusion, and reflects much of the worry I have about this device category. The more tightly we've integrated the digital and physical worlds the less connected we've become as people. It's showing in our relationships, its showing in our mental health, it's showing in our politics. At this point, humane technology is technology that gets out of your way as much as possible and let you exist in the real world with real people. From my perspective, further integrating digital experiences into our real lives should not be the goal, the goal should be to achieve the benefits that digital devices bring without actually needing to interact with them.
- api 3y agoThe problem is not the tech. The problem is what’s on it. Social media in particular runs on dividing us, since maximally triggering or addicting content maximizes time spent staring at the app. This isn’t a new observation. I recall reading back in the 90s about how the problem with TV is what’s on the TV. The tech is fine. The incentives for media are all perverse and destructive.
- lazide 3y agoThat’s like saying alcohol is fine, it’s the incentives of the people selling and using it. Which isn’t wrong necessarily. But definitely is working hard.
- gboss 3y agoI don’t think that’s what the GP is saying. It’s more like beverages exist but certain ones are worse for you (like alcoholic ones) than others. It’s what’s being consumed that is important not its medium. I don’t know if I agree with that just that you’re characterization is off. I think the medium is the message.
- veunes 3y agoI've seen a couple of videos on TikTok of people using Apple Vision, and it looks so strange from an outsider's perspective. I understand that, in addition to extra information from apps, a person also sees everything around them, but from the outside, it looks like they're in their own world. It's just weird not to see a person's eyes.
- jojobas 3y agoYou lose a fair bit of peripheral vision. People definitely will die.
- Gigachad 3y agoI wonder if it could result in cities making public spaces safer and more accessible for people with vision impairment. I know AirPods/noise cancelation made me very aware of accessibility features for hearing impaired people. Suddenly I’m looking for the lights on the train door button because I can’t hear the beep. Most of this danger is entirely human constructed. If you put someone out on a farm or otherwise undeveloped land, they are very unlikely to kill themselves by mis stepping.
- throwup238 3y ago> The headset, which weighs as much as a cauliflower Christ, I just learned the length of a football field (and that there exists a different futbol pitch). Now I have to learn how much random vegetables weigh? Can we at least stick to Brassica oleracea in the future? Whats the brussel sprout equivalent? > A medium-sized head of cauliflower is about 6 inches across, weighs about 2 pounds and makes 4 to 6 servings after trimming off the leaves and stem. [1] In all seriousness this seems like a total deal breaker: > Typing via finger pinches or dictation was a pain, so I used a wireless keyboard. Even that had problems. Touch-typing in that context wasn’t easy, and the writing felt out of phase. The letters on the screen appeared after a very slight delay, just enough to make it feel like my words were being pulled through a wormhole on their way into my document. [1] https://gmach.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Cauliflower.pdf https://gmach.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Cauliflower.pdf
- zamfi 3y agoForgive me if I missed the joke, but Cauliflower and Brussels Sprouts are in fact both cultivars of Brassica oleracea...
- Humphrey 3y agoIt only occurred to me recently that when people compare something to the length of a football field, they are probably talking about American Football. I had always just assumed (without thinking about it) it was the length of an Australian Rules Football field, which can be almost 70% longer! It must be about time we all just used metres and grams?
- metaxy2 3y agoPractically no one would ever be talking about Australian Rules Football (outside of the handful of countries where that's popular, of course), although presumably outside of the US they'd often be talking about soccer.
- Gare 3y agoFortunately, difference in length of an american football field and FIFA recommended soccer field is only 5 meters, and basically can be rounded to 100 m.
- cdata 3y agoI saw a bunch of my techie friends all run out to buy one of these on launch day (thanks to their easy availability at Apple stores). As far as I can tell from the reviews: this device is a preview of the future. But, it still needs iterative improvements before it will live up to its promise as a practical workstation or accessible gaming device. It is plain to see that my friends who bought one are enjoying the camaraderie of all having done so. $4,000 is perhaps a reasonable price to feel connected to others in a meaningful way.
- gonzo41 3y agoJust think, if you put that 4K into an activities fund for yourself you could have weekly meetups in person for a year before running out of cash.
- avidphantasm 3y agoOr a nice vacation with a friend.
- 72deluxe 3y agoI am pretty sure people have managed to feel connected to others in a meaningful way before this device, and it didn't cost $4000. Not sure if you were being sarcastic... How did anyone ever make friends 100 years ago without one of these!
- haunter 3y agoWas watching the Casey Neistat review video today and it's both crazy as in exciting and somehow terribly frightening https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvkgmyfMPks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvkgmyfMPks There is just something eerie about the whole thing, like existing on the edge between the digital and real world. But truly this is the future, there is no stop and it will be miniaturized down to normal glass size sooner or later
- spacebacon 3y agoI enjoy the writers refined writing style. A beautiful use of Trompe l’œil. The name for 2D art that looks 3D.
- jdorfman 3y agoI got back from the Apple Store a few hours ago and that headline is exactly how I felt when I finished the 20 minute demo. It was amazing, it’s the future of entertainment especially sports and that’s the sad part, you will be enjoying it alone.
- abnercoimbre 3y agoHow did it work to get a nice, long demo? You wait on a line, place your name on a queue, or something else?
- jdorfman 3y agoThe demo was ~20 min. I put my name on a list and waited about 30 min. I was surprised that most people at the store were not there for the Vision Pro.
- abnercoimbre 3y agoDon't laugh, but this sounds like a novel way to take my SO out on a date. Thanks!
- DougN7 3y agoThe movie “Ready Player One”, despite trying to end on a forced positive note, was/is prophetic. It was a very sad and disconnected world there, and we’re slowly moving that way here.
- drewbug01 3y agoI have such mixed feelings about it. I went back to the Apple Store today to exchange the “light seal” for something that fit better - and an older couple who were there for a demo asked me “what do you use it for?” I didn’t have a great answer. The technology is really compelling; but it is a solo experience. I tried to show my friends last night what I saw via AirPlay… and it’s just not as interesting that way. And despite that - last night I played a little LEGO game, and I was utterly transfixed. It plucked at my heartstrings in a way that shocked me. Today, I used the built-in “Mindfulness” app, while sitting atop a lifelike recreation of Haleakala… and it was incredibly peaceful. I just don’t know what to make of it yet, but it’s fascinating. I’m making a conscious effort so far not to use it much around others, and I hope that will be a good balance.
- jsz0 3y agoThere's something very gross to me about this product. It digital gluttony. It's like buttering your pop tarts. It's like adding extra sugar to your Cola. It's like wearing a diaper so you don't have to get up off the couch. At some point isn't enough enough? How connected do you have to really be? How much more engagement do you need to feel something? How many screens do you need to fill the hole in your heart? I wonder what's going on in the mind of a person who craves this isolating hyper stimulated cocoon strapped to their head.
- goatlover 3y agoHave you ever put butter on a Pop-Tart? It's so frickin' good Have you ever put butter on a Pop-Tart? If you haven't, then I think you should
- jsz0 3y agoYes but I'm ashamed of it. It's too good.
- somewhereoutth 3y agoIt is rather end-stage technoscene isn't it. Along with AI and crypto, all solutions looking for a problem (and causing many problems themselves).
- slimrec77 3y agoCurrent stats are that 50% of Americans aged 30-49 have a social media addiction. Under 29 who knows but obviously higher. You can't expect a coke head to not snort the whole bag. We just don't believe social media addiction is like a coke addiction. This isn't going to just get better either. What are the kids that grew up watching tiktok as a first memory all of the sudden going to become ludite hippies in 15 years? I even had the thought that maybe generation alpha would be reactionary against all this. Looking that up, holy shit is that wrong.
- ProllyInfamous 3y agoThe amount of robberies is going to skyrocket... I would suspect that Apple will have to implement some sort of "50% translucency requirement for on-screen windows" so that using the Vision Pro in public places will not prevent people from being aware of their central vision & surroundings. I don't personally carry a cell phone with me in day-to-day life, so I am already well aware of how addictive technology is for young & old [and am myself about half way along the journey]. The first person to get injured because the VisionPro screens suddenly freeze/blank is going to make global news. RIP.
- lo_zamoyski 3y agoI will go ahead and claim that culturally, we are increasingly aggressive about escaping reality, and in part, we don't realize we're doing it because our minds are darkened and distorted by decades of consumerism and the indulgence of disordered appetites. Instead of doing what rational people do, which is to conform our minds and our desires to the truth, we try to conform "truth" to our minds and desires, twisting "truth" to suit them. We are living the Bacchae, and if and when we manage to wake from our mad frenzy, we will see, like Agave, horror and suffering and death.
- EPWN3D 3y agoI'm sure I'm a pollyanna about all this, but every time some new piece of tech or innovation comes out, English majors crank out "What Hast Thou Wrought" pieces like nobody's business. The truth is nobody knows how this thing will integrate into human society. Personally I think the social media hysteria is overdone, and the human need for connection is probably stronger than technology. Time and time again, what we've seen is that technology amplifies individual characteristics rather than changing them. Of course the press is obsessed with the goings on of social media. They themselves spend all their time obsessing about their ratios on Twitter. But there are plenty of people out there who don't, and they don't get noticed because the opinion leaders can't get outside their own little bubble of Tik Tok, Twitter, Reddit, etc. Yes, certain people already predisposed to isolation will use technology as a substitute for human connection. But those people are going to do that anyway.
- smaudet 3y agoWasn't this about it being a terrible unusable product though? Not a "what has thou wrought" bit at all. I think this has convinced me we need a new technology altogether, not cameras + screens for AR to be feasible. The use as a movie theatre, if they could eliminate the weight, maybe an interesting use. But not a good AR headset, and probably never without eliminating the lag/precision issue (hint, you aren't allowed to digitize the universe).
- testhn2ac 3y agoMuch Ado about Nothing. Reviews on YouTube show an entirely different experience. Seen people walking around wearing the devices and interesting use cases. Sure, it's not for everyone. But doesn't seem as dystopian as people make it out to be.
- euroderf 3y agoI'm waiting to read the inevitable review in which someone (and partner) use Apple Vision Pro it to enhance their sex life. I find it hard to believe that AVP would be an exception to a fundamental rule about the drivers of technological development.
- jitl 3y agoIt’s hard to kiss already with only one person wearing one, with two you’d need your heads to be at 90 degrees to make it work
- nunez 3y agothis thing is going to drive "phone" addiction through to the stratosphere when it drops in price.
- nunez 3y ago"UPLOAD" (produced by Greg Daniels) will be the next generation's "Idiocracy"; I'm calling it now. It's not a fantastic show but I think it paints an accurate picture of where AI and AR/VR will take us if it grows unchecked.