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this is much cheaper than S3 glacier. Any explanation on how to keep data safe?

jqpabc123 3y ago
Any explanation on how to keep data safe? Start by not using an unknown provider with questionable reliability or stability where the only contact is an email address.
- StopTheTechies 3y ago
  I think you're forgetting the cost parameter—obviously no provider can guarantee either reliability or stability
  - manuelabeledo 3y ago
    They can and they do - and if they fail, they cover damages.
    - fulafel 3y ago
      Is there a provider that would cover the customer's damages like interruption of business? There are some insurance companies at least that do similar things.
      - Fnoord 3y ago
        A SLA would. I would just use multiple backups. One self-hosted on-premise and two off-site. Then the two off-site can have egress costs. Wouldn't matter. The self-hosted one would be the primary one to backup from. And it is going to be solid, usually. For example, a Synology NAS would suffice.
        fulafel 3y ago
        I think nearly all SLAs just give you discounts on the service's bill. Eg if your service vendor costs you 1000/month and they have a 10-day outage and you lose 10000000, they will credit you 1000 best-case, or maybe 1/3 of that (since it was up most of the month).
    - logifail 3y ago
      > if they fail, they cover damages Umm, most providers' standard T&Cs exclude liability for indirect or consequential loss following unavailability of their service.
    - StopTheTechies 3y ago
      I'm sorry, S3 insures your data in case of loss? How come they don't ask the value of what you're storing then?
  - jzombie 3y ago
    I'd rather pay a little more money to a reputable vendor, honestly. If I depend on the backup, I want a reasonable guarantee they will deliver on their promise.
_ubn7 3y ago
We keep 3 copies of your data - two on LTO drives (across two different locations) and one on enterprise grade hard drives.
- jonatron 3y ago
  In different locations?
  - _ubn7 3y ago
    Different data centers
    - zebomon 3y ago
      That sounds like a no.
    - jzombie 3y ago
      Where are the data centers located?
- geor9e 3y ago
  Well now I know it's fake. LTO drives might be a few bucks per TB but enterprise grade hard drives sure aren't.
ahofmann 3y ago
How is this much cheaper? S3 glacier deep archive costs 0,00099 € per GB and month.
- mackman 3y ago
  I have a fairly optimized backup to glacier strategy involving a couple of days of soak time in S3 before moving to glacier with lifecycle rules to avoid the 180 day min storage for transient files. Net I end up paying about $1.20 to $1.50 per TB per month. Restoration of my data set would cost around $100/TB though. So a straight $1/TB would be a nice savings on a good month, and a great savings if my house ever burns down and I need to restore.
  - dorfsmay 3y ago
    Backblaze is 6$/TB/month with no egress fee, and are a well established company with a good reputation: https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-storage/pricing https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-storage/pricing I'm surprised the don't come up more in a discussion about backup storage.
    - lakpan 3y ago
      It doesn’t? From my experience it comes up every time S3 is mentioned, except maybe recently Cloudflare took the spotlight.
- gruez 3y ago
  That has retrieval fees as well as minimum storage times.
- lelag 3y ago
  No egress fees make a huge cost difference if you ever need your archived data back.
- AtlasBarfed 3y ago
  Did it ever get revealed how glacier works? I had heard they were using DVD-Rs back in the day, but that was a decade ago and a big price drop. https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-cost-per-gigabyte/ https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-cost-per-gigabyte/ I know the link is LTO based for some of it. Is LTO really cheaper than hard drives? Or is it just that LTO has automation equipment behind it? It's interesting to me that hard drives have dropped 56% in cost since 2017, and yet I don't think storage prices have dropped anything like that. Per the article, it's because demand allows them to keep it high. I welcome a price war! And thanks for the honesty Backblaze.

Any explanation on how to keep data safe? Start by not using an unknown provider with questionable reliability or stability where the only contact is an email address.

StopTheTechies 3y ago
I think you're forgetting the cost parameter—obviously no provider can guarantee either reliability or stability
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  They can and they do - and if they fail, they cover damages.
  - fulafel 3y ago
    Is there a provider that would cover the customer's damages like interruption of business? There are some insurance companies at least that do similar things.
    - Fnoord 3y ago
      A SLA would. I would just use multiple backups. One self-hosted on-premise and two off-site. Then the two off-site can have egress costs. Wouldn't matter. The self-hosted one would be the primary one to backup from. And it is going to be solid, usually. For example, a Synology NAS would suffice.
      - fulafel 3y ago
        I think nearly all SLAs just give you discounts on the service's bill. Eg if your service vendor costs you 1000/month and they have a 10-day outage and you lose 10000000, they will credit you 1000 best-case, or maybe 1/3 of that (since it was up most of the month).
  - logifail 3y ago
    > if they fail, they cover damages Umm, most providers' standard T&Cs exclude liability for indirect or consequential loss following unavailability of their service.
  - StopTheTechies 3y ago
    I'm sorry, S3 insures your data in case of loss? How come they don't ask the value of what you're storing then?
- jzombie 3y ago
  I'd rather pay a little more money to a reputable vendor, honestly. If I depend on the backup, I want a reasonable guarantee they will deliver on their promise.

_ubn7 3y ago

We keep 3 copies of your data - two on LTO drives (across two different locations) and one on enterprise grade hard drives.

jonatron 3y ago
In different locations?
- _ubn7 3y ago
  Different data centers
  - zebomon 3y ago
    That sounds like a no.
  - jzombie 3y ago
    Where are the data centers located?
geor9e 3y ago
Well now I know it's fake. LTO drives might be a few bucks per TB but enterprise grade hard drives sure aren't.

ahofmann 3y ago

How is this much cheaper? S3 glacier deep archive costs 0,00099 € per GB and month.

mackman 3y ago
I have a fairly optimized backup to glacier strategy involving a couple of days of soak time in S3 before moving to glacier with lifecycle rules to avoid the 180 day min storage for transient files. Net I end up paying about $1.20 to $1.50 per TB per month. Restoration of my data set would cost around $100/TB though. So a straight $1/TB would be a nice savings on a good month, and a great savings if my house ever burns down and I need to restore.
- dorfsmay 3y ago
  Backblaze is 6$/TB/month with no egress fee, and are a well established company with a good reputation: https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-storage/pricing https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-storage/pricing I'm surprised the don't come up more in a discussion about backup storage.
  - lakpan 3y ago
    It doesn’t? From my experience it comes up every time S3 is mentioned, except maybe recently Cloudflare took the spotlight.
gruez 3y ago
That has retrieval fees as well as minimum storage times.
lelag 3y ago
No egress fees make a huge cost difference if you ever need your archived data back.
AtlasBarfed 3y ago
Did it ever get revealed how glacier works? I had heard they were using DVD-Rs back in the day, but that was a decade ago and a big price drop. https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-cost-per-gigabyte/ https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-cost-per-gigabyte/ I know the link is LTO based for some of it. Is LTO really cheaper than hard drives? Or is it just that LTO has automation equipment behind it? It's interesting to me that hard drives have dropped 56% in cost since 2017, and yet I don't think storage prices have dropped anything like that. Per the article, it's because demand allows them to keep it high. I welcome a price war! And thanks for the honesty Backblaze.