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Genuinely, it hink they're an imagined practicality. We have a conventional family, conventional arrangements, and granted, I'd loath to buy an suv, out of spit

by trgn 3y ago

Genuinely, it hink they're an imagined practicality. We have a conventional family, conventional arrangements, and granted, I'd loath to buy an suv, out of spite I guess, but we've never been in a situation where our old small normal car isn't sufficient. We do all the things normal people do too.

mc32 3y ago
Station wagons are tanky; minivans are homely and underpowered. So lots of people get SUVs. It’s easier to fit things in the trunk when shopping IKEA or going skiing, sports equipment, etc. sure, it is possible to wedge 10ft 2x4s in a sedan, but it’s easier with an SUV. In any case, normal SUVs are not class signifiers. People drive beaters. Some are signifiers but that’s a really small segment.
- namdnay 3y ago
  “Homely”? Avoiding something because it’s “homely” sounds exactly like symboling status :)
  - iforgotpassword 3y ago
    Plus "underpowered". Like, what? You can't revv your engine that well at the red light or what are we talking about?
- ToucanLoucan 3y ago
  > Station wagons are tanky; I'm sorry what? Tanky compared to an overbuilt overpowered 17 foot suburban?! The old woodies are a thing of beauty and a Mercedes estate is downright gorgeous, and would utterly SCHOOL an Escalade on cargo capacity AND fuel economy at the same time. > minivans are homely and underpowered. Then get a VAN, not a MINI-VAN. It's in the name dude. > So lots of people get SUVs. It’s easier to fit things in the trunk when shopping IKEA or going skiing, sports equipment, etc. sure, it is possible to wedge 10ft 2x4s in a sedan, but it’s easier with an SUV. I'm sorry that last statement is just laughable. Long cargo is AWFUL in an SUV unless you remove the entire rear row of seats at which point, again, you have a van. You have a tall, shitty van.
- carbine 3y ago
  Most modern SUVs are 'underpowered' too. They take the same lame engine that goes in a non-sport family sedan and drop it in a larger, heavier car. If you want performance, you usually buy a specific type of car.
fortylove 3y ago
Dad with wife, two kids, and a dog here. We are a one car family, and we intend to stay that way due to pretty real parking constraints. We tried to hold out for as long as we could without an SUV. Ultimately, taking a week long trip with the family became focused around space management, having to play packing tetris and telling my wife "I don't think we have space for the pack and play". Sure we made it work, but it was stressful. We got a 3 row SUV (3rd row collapses), and the additional space is just fantastic when it comes to packing. And when the cousins or grandparents are in town, the 3rd row comes in handy.
- namdnay 3y ago
  Wouldn’t a people carrier have been adequate? I don’t think people have an issue with the desire for interior space for families, it’s more an issue with the unnecessary extra size and weight brought on by the offroadesque styling
  - fortylove 3y ago
    I'm not familiar with the term "people carrier", sorry. Is this like a minivan? If so, many minivans are ~similar in size, weight, and capacity to modern SUVs (not all SUVs are a Chevy Suburban :-)). For example, you can compare the Honda Odyssey to the Mazda CX9 and the specs are actually not too different: Mazda CX9: weight: 4,409lbs, 199″ L x 78″ W x 68″ H Honda Odyssey: 4,482lbs, 205″ L x 79″ W x 70″ H Edit: formatting
    - namdnay 3y ago
      And yet the Odyssey has more than double the interior space, which shows how inefficient the SUV form factor is An MPV such as the ford cmax will have as much practicality than a much bigger SUV
    - secstate 3y ago
      A minivan allows much easier ingress, egress with large doors. Also, there are no SUVs with 8 seats that I know of. There are minivans with AWD or even limited 4WD. But they definitely carry social stigma and don't look sporty. That's important for a lot of people, I guess. Also, wheel base and weight are not the best way to compare overall utility of a vehicle.
bozhark 3y ago
To you. Why does that apply beyond you?

by trgn 3y ago

mc32 3y ago

Station wagons are tanky; minivans are homely and underpowered. So lots of people get SUVs. It’s easier to fit things in the trunk when shopping IKEA or going skiing, sports equipment, etc. sure, it is possible to wedge 10ft 2x4s in a sedan, but it’s easier with an SUV. In any case, normal SUVs are not class signifiers. People drive beaters. Some are signifiers but that’s a really small segment.

namdnay 3y ago
“Homely”? Avoiding something because it’s “homely” sounds exactly like symboling status :)
- iforgotpassword 3y ago
  Plus "underpowered". Like, what? You can't revv your engine that well at the red light or what are we talking about?
ToucanLoucan 3y ago
> Station wagons are tanky; I'm sorry what? Tanky compared to an overbuilt overpowered 17 foot suburban?! The old woodies are a thing of beauty and a Mercedes estate is downright gorgeous, and would utterly SCHOOL an Escalade on cargo capacity AND fuel economy at the same time. > minivans are homely and underpowered. Then get a VAN, not a MINI-VAN. It's in the name dude. > So lots of people get SUVs. It’s easier to fit things in the trunk when shopping IKEA or going skiing, sports equipment, etc. sure, it is possible to wedge 10ft 2x4s in a sedan, but it’s easier with an SUV. I'm sorry that last statement is just laughable. Long cargo is AWFUL in an SUV unless you remove the entire rear row of seats at which point, again, you have a van. You have a tall, shitty van.
carbine 3y ago
Most modern SUVs are 'underpowered' too. They take the same lame engine that goes in a non-sport family sedan and drop it in a larger, heavier car. If you want performance, you usually buy a specific type of car.

fortylove 3y ago

Dad with wife, two kids, and a dog here. We are a one car family, and we intend to stay that way due to pretty real parking constraints. We tried to hold out for as long as we could without an SUV. Ultimately, taking a week long trip with the family became focused around space management, having to play packing tetris and telling my wife "I don't think we have space for the pack and play". Sure we made it work, but it was stressful. We got a 3 row SUV (3rd row collapses), and the additional space is just fantastic when it comes to packing. And when the cousins or grandparents are in town, the 3rd row comes in handy.

namdnay 3y ago
Wouldn’t a people carrier have been adequate? I don’t think people have an issue with the desire for interior space for families, it’s more an issue with the unnecessary extra size and weight brought on by the offroadesque styling
- fortylove 3y ago
  I'm not familiar with the term "people carrier", sorry. Is this like a minivan? If so, many minivans are ~similar in size, weight, and capacity to modern SUVs (not all SUVs are a Chevy Suburban :-)). For example, you can compare the Honda Odyssey to the Mazda CX9 and the specs are actually not too different: Mazda CX9: weight: 4,409lbs, 199″ L x 78″ W x 68″ H Honda Odyssey: 4,482lbs, 205″ L x 79″ W x 70″ H Edit: formatting
  - namdnay 3y ago
    And yet the Odyssey has more than double the interior space, which shows how inefficient the SUV form factor is An MPV such as the ford cmax will have as much practicality than a much bigger SUV
  - secstate 3y ago
    A minivan allows much easier ingress, egress with large doors. Also, there are no SUVs with 8 seats that I know of. There are minivans with AWD or even limited 4WD. But they definitely carry social stigma and don't look sporty. That's important for a lot of people, I guess. Also, wheel base and weight are not the best way to compare overall utility of a vehicle.

bozhark 3y ago

To you. Why does that apply beyond you?