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At least every home that has copper should get fiber. The excuse that the US is too big or we can't do it is bull. You did it before for electricity and teleph

At least every home that has copper should get fiber. The excuse that the US is too big or we can't do it is bull. You did it before for electricity and telephone. It just requires competency, money and an infrastructure that isn't for profit. Don't get me wrong, the services provided on the infrastructure can definitely be for profit but not the glass itself.

phpisthebest 3y ago
>>>You did it before for electricity I huge part of Rural America Electricity is run by Coop's today, often non-profit anyway. Various attempts have been tried for these Coop's to also provide internet services including using Internet Over Power Lines technology, they all fail for some reason. Also with Telephone and electric build out we did not have the levels of regulatory capture we do today. The US Tax Payer has spent BILLIONS on "broadband" roll out programs to pay for the infrastructure that should have bought fiber to every home including rural areas, the money was wasted on "Fixed Wireless broadband" and other schemes where by the ISP's more or less just pocket the money and there was no accountability by the federal agencies in charge of these programs, largely because they knew they had fat executive jobs at that ISP coming to them Your implication that government is the solution to this problem by paying for the infrastructure is not based in reality, as government is the problem. Government and government corruption is what stopped fiber from already being a reality.
- rascul 3y ago
  > I huge part of Rural America Electricity is run by Coop's today, often non-profit anyway. Various attempts have been tried for these Coop's to also provide internet services including using Internet Over Power Lines technology, they all fail for some reason. They seem to be doing fine in Mississippi.
- nfriedly 3y ago
  Where my wife used to live, there was a telephone cooperative. At the time, they offered DSL internet, but it now looks like they offer fiber also: https://www.mdtc.net/services/internet/ https://www.mdtc.net/services/internet/
- gessha 3y ago
  Some of the coops are mismanaged. I saw an article about a takeover of an incompetent coop management board that resulted in service improvement. Like everything, it takes political will and community work to keep services responsible and reliable.
- KerrAvon 3y ago
  Yes; we need to address regulatory capture. That can be done. Saying ‘better things aren’t possible’ isn’t the solution.
  - phpisthebest 3y ago
    I never said better things are not possible, this disconnect here is that despite all of recorded American history proven other ways people still believe we just need to "elect to right people" to government to fix everything wrong everywhere all problems in society When in reality power corrupts and by giving power to government you corrupt anyone that enters the profession. The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. --- Ronald Reagan Better things are possible they just do not come from government, they come in-spite of government
reaperducer 3y ago
You did it before for electricity and telephone. Not completely. There are still tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands of Americans who never got electric, telephone, or even water service available in their homes. Every six months or so there's an article in the Navajo Times about the Navajo Tribal Utility Authority managing to hook up another couple of dozen homes to electricity, but there are still many thousands to go. There was a photo published during the pandemic of children gathered on top of a hill sitting in the dust and sun with their laptops because it was the only place they could get a cell signal to do their schoolwork. Tens of thousands of American homes have no running water. I've visited many in Texas, West Virginia, New Mexico, and even California. Time to get out of the Silicon Valley bubble.
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- wddkcs 3y ago
  It's not a silicon valley canard to overwhelmingly expect electricity and running water in the US. The difficulties faced by the Navajo are not representative of the country at large. The major service providers have preferred to put in place regional monopolies, rather than extend their fiber capabilities, that is the root of the issue.
  - the_arun 3y ago
    I did research in Silicon Valley, there is no optic fiber. We have expensive comcast, or ATT or now Starlink.. or now 5G. I wish we had more options(high speed internet) for end users.
    - simfree 3y ago
      This really depends where you are physically located, the infrastructure available varies neighborhood by neighborhood, and in some cases block to block. Some have two GPON fiber providers, others have one XGSPON provider, and yet other neighborhoods are served only with coaxial where it was easy to get to in the 1980s when the coax networks were built out, and copper services otherwise.
solatic 3y ago
> It just requires competency, money and an infrastructure that isn't for profit. Or massive government financing! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_Electrification_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_Electrification_Act
- l33t7332273 3y ago
  Money and an infrastructure that isn’t for profit pretty much directly implies massive government financing.
- crote 3y ago
  If I'm not mistaken, AT&T and friends got similar grants to install high-speed internet multiple times. They just... didn't do it.
gustavus 3y ago
> It just requires competency, money and an infrastructure that isn't for profit. Uhhh.... Most of the nationwide infrastructure was put into place by the railroad companies that were definitely for profit organizations.

phpisthebest 3y ago

>>>You did it before for electricity I huge part of Rural America Electricity is run by Coop's today, often non-profit anyway. Various attempts have been tried for these Coop's to also provide internet services including using Internet Over Power Lines technology, they all fail for some reason. Also with Telephone and electric build out we did not have the levels of regulatory capture we do today. The US Tax Payer has spent BILLIONS on "broadband" roll out programs to pay for the infrastructure that should have bought fiber to every home including rural areas, the money was wasted on "Fixed Wireless broadband" and other schemes where by the ISP's more or less just pocket the money and there was no accountability by the federal agencies in charge of these programs, largely because they knew they had fat executive jobs at that ISP coming to them Your implication that government is the solution to this problem by paying for the infrastructure is not based in reality, as government is the problem. Government and government corruption is what stopped fiber from already being a reality.

rascul 3y ago
> I huge part of Rural America Electricity is run by Coop's today, often non-profit anyway. Various attempts have been tried for these Coop's to also provide internet services including using Internet Over Power Lines technology, they all fail for some reason. They seem to be doing fine in Mississippi.
nfriedly 3y ago
Where my wife used to live, there was a telephone cooperative. At the time, they offered DSL internet, but it now looks like they offer fiber also: https://www.mdtc.net/services/internet/ https://www.mdtc.net/services/internet/
gessha 3y ago
Some of the coops are mismanaged. I saw an article about a takeover of an incompetent coop management board that resulted in service improvement. Like everything, it takes political will and community work to keep services responsible and reliable.
KerrAvon 3y ago
Yes; we need to address regulatory capture. That can be done. Saying ‘better things aren’t possible’ isn’t the solution.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  I never said better things are not possible, this disconnect here is that despite all of recorded American history proven other ways people still believe we just need to "elect to right people" to government to fix everything wrong everywhere all problems in society When in reality power corrupts and by giving power to government you corrupt anyone that enters the profession. The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. --- Ronald Reagan Better things are possible they just do not come from government, they come in-spite of government

reaperducer 3y ago

You did it before for electricity and telephone. Not completely. There are still tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands of Americans who never got electric, telephone, or even water service available in their homes. Every six months or so there's an article in the Navajo Times about the Navajo Tribal Utility Authority managing to hook up another couple of dozen homes to electricity, but there are still many thousands to go. There was a photo published during the pandemic of children gathered on top of a hill sitting in the dust and sun with their laptops because it was the only place they could get a cell signal to do their schoolwork. Tens of thousands of American homes have no running water. I've visited many in Texas, West Virginia, New Mexico, and even California. Time to get out of the Silicon Valley bubble.

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wddkcs 3y ago
It's not a silicon valley canard to overwhelmingly expect electricity and running water in the US. The difficulties faced by the Navajo are not representative of the country at large. The major service providers have preferred to put in place regional monopolies, rather than extend their fiber capabilities, that is the root of the issue.
- the_arun 3y ago
  I did research in Silicon Valley, there is no optic fiber. We have expensive comcast, or ATT or now Starlink.. or now 5G. I wish we had more options(high speed internet) for end users.
  - simfree 3y ago
    This really depends where you are physically located, the infrastructure available varies neighborhood by neighborhood, and in some cases block to block. Some have two GPON fiber providers, others have one XGSPON provider, and yet other neighborhoods are served only with coaxial where it was easy to get to in the 1980s when the coax networks were built out, and copper services otherwise.

solatic 3y ago

> It just requires competency, money and an infrastructure that isn't for profit. Or massive government financing! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_Electrification_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_Electrification_Act

l33t7332273 3y ago
Money and an infrastructure that isn’t for profit pretty much directly implies massive government financing.
crote 3y ago
If I'm not mistaken, AT&T and friends got similar grants to install high-speed internet multiple times. They just... didn't do it.

gustavus 3y ago

> It just requires competency, money and an infrastructure that isn't for profit. Uhhh.... Most of the nationwide infrastructure was put into place by the railroad companies that were definitely for profit organizations.