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Joe Rogan Gets New Spotify Deal Worth Up to $250M
- TABrazil 3y ago[flagged]
- netsharc 3y agoYour comment is being burned to the ground, but I remember watching this anthropologist talk about Islamic terrorism, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlbirlSA-dc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlbirlSA-dc and I see parallels in the white men extremism.. Someone's exploiting the felt lack of future/goals and recruited them to extremist movements.
- alephnerd 3y agoYep. Extremism is extremism. Doesn't matter if it's religious, racial, or nationalist. There's a reason why we've been lucky so far with relatively few domestic terror attacks - the DHS, FBI, and local police have been experience with being on the lookout for extremism using the same playbook they used against Islamists back in the 2000s and 2010s. For example, from the DHS [0] Edit: wow, OP got flagged for calling out the similarities between white nationalism and Islamic terror back in the 2000s [0] - https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs5746/files/Rise%20of%20the%20Reactionaries.pdf https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs5746/files/Ris...
- ethbr1 3y agoThere was neuroscientist who specialized in amygdala/prefrontal cortex interaction who noted that baseline resets were incredibly important to a functioning, objectively normal fear response. Absent occasionally getting chased by a tiger, things go a little haywire. And before you know it, our brains are confusing angry/scared person in our ears or on a screen with an actual reality. With an occasional baseline reset, we properly note that that situation seems very interesting, but don't confuse it as imminent or affecting us. Tl;dr - Laying around and not putting yourself in actually physically dangerous situations from time to time results in your fear center becoming overactive. Hmm... I wonder why older people become progressively more and more obsessed with politics?
- alephnerd 3y ago> Laying around and not putting yourself in actually physically dangerous situations from time to time results in your fear center becoming overactive When I was in elementary school, I was in the demographic that would end up with a criminal record. To help channel our anger and angst as the children of immigrants documented and undocumented, our local PD linked a couple of us hot headed kids with boxing/martial arts lessons. They were fairly useful in channeling that angst into something more constructive
- ethbr1 3y agoSame. I dealt with some teenage wasteland issues via boxing. Turns out being punched in the face puts a lot of drama in perspective.
- Smoosh 3y agoAnd is how you can get elected (even when you are one of those elites).
- vdaea 3y agoAren't they?
- skywhopper 3y agolol, no. Not in any way. If they get pushback when they're jerks, that doesn't mean they are persecuted. If they have stopped being the default character type in some (not most, but some) media, that doesn't hurt them at all.
- elevatedastalt 3y agoCan we keep this rubbish out of HN?
- NegativeK 3y agoI've been somewhat frustrated by the rise of political rhetoric on here for a couple of years. Not political discussions -- the comments that are quick, memeish soundbites that are meant to gather upvotes and responses that are also quick, memeish soundbites.
- alephnerd 3y agoI brought this up multiple times and have been flagged on multiple occasions. It looks like politics is de facto allowed as conversation on HN, no matter how divisive and non-productive it might get. Just roll with it.
- ethbr1 3y agoIMHO, political positions are off-topic (boring). Discussing meta politics (why politics are the way they are) is interesting and on-topic. Parent could have definitely worded their comment less flippantly, but it's an interesting discussion as to why inflaming people draws $250M worth of listeners these days.
- klyrs 3y agoFlag stories about Rogan and you'll head off critiques of him. Otherwise, no.
- whythre 3y agoI mean… American young men are increasingly failing in education and getting poorer and more mentally ill. It doesn’t seem like a hard sell to me.
- nequo 3y agoWe nearly all are. That’s not specific to white American men.
- hajile 3y ago70% of US suicides in 2021 were white males and most of them were young. If those problems weren’t so specific to them, then why is that rate so high?
- netsharc 3y agoMaybe it has something to do with the fact that about 60% of the country is white? [Source: 1, 57.84% white in 2020] Well, look at me at Friday night researching suicide numbers, thanks in part because you didn't cite your sources. The graph after the map of the country in this article[2] shows absolute rates and per race rate, yeah white people have the tallest absolute rate, but damn, 28% suicide rate for American Indian or Alaska Native, vs. 17% for White. But gotta love white people seeing the march of equality/everyone facing a shitty situation with a pandemic, and thinking they're the ones being targetted. Perception vs reality. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Sta... [2] https://usafacts.org/articles/how-is-the-suicide-rate-changing-in-the-us/ https://usafacts.org/articles/how-is-the-suicide-rate-changi...
- hajile 3y ago70% of suicides are white AND male. While white people are 58% of the country, males are only HALF of that number. Put another way, 70% of all suicides are committed by just 29% of the population. 28 per 100k is nowhere near 28% (it's 0.028% per year). White and American Indian suicide rates track each other pretty closely until the mid 00s where both continue to increase, but American Indians pull ahead (also indicating a major problem in our American Indian community). In any case, rates for white men in 2021 was 35.7 per 100k beating out American Indians overall (but still slightly shy of American Indian Men at 41.3 per 100k). Comparing to overall suicide rates for other races (the other breakdown in the article you provided), we have 6.8 for Asians, 8.7 for Blacks, 12.6 for Pacific Islanders, 9.7 for multi-racial, and 7.9 for hispanics. Put another way, overall white suicide rates are DOUBLE that of blacks, hispanics, asians, and almost double that of multi-racial people. White men have a suicide rate more than FOUR TIMES that of the overall rates for these groups. Maybe you should set aside your own preconceived biases and realize that the reality doesn't match up to your perception. The fact is that most white people aren't privileged. They live in poor, broken-down places while working low-wage jobs and have nothing to show for it -- just the same as any other group of people. The fact that you and I are on Hacker News debating this shows that we have been way more blessed that we probably deserve.
- newfriend 3y agoYou can replace "American white men" with "<insert any group>" and come to the same conclusion.
- jrflowers 3y agoThere is no upper limit to the value generated by a slackjawed middle age guy saying “Woooooaahhhhooohhh!!!” to another little guy talking about tiger penis hairline treatments
- 8f2ab37a-ed6c 3y agoI wish there was a Joe Rogan's podcast where all of Joe is edited out, and I get to enjoy the guests without any of his commentary about the crazy college kids, and the woke cultural marxists, elk meat and DMT trips. Same with the Lex Friedman podcast, where we don't have to listen to the "Tell me how this is all about love" question ever again.
- ndjshe3838 3y agoConfession: I fast forward when Lex is speaking
- 8f2ab37a-ed6c 3y agoDitto, friend.
- dkersten 3y agoI find his voice incredibly hard to listen to, he slurs in a way that just makes it hard for me to keep my attention on what’s being said.
- psb217 3y agoNew AIdea... A "fast-forward or mute when person X is talking" app/plugin/whatever. You'll never have to hear X again! The core tech would actually be pretty simple, considering what's available open source.
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- klyrs 3y agoI liked Garfield without Garfield, you might be on to something.
- onyxringer 3y agoGood for him. So far it's been OK. I don't plan to buy the subscription, but I check the web app from time to time and listen if I find something interesting. > Spotify reportedly cut an $18 million check for Meghan Markle to headline a podcast called “Archetypes,” though it struggled to nab a top spot on the Spotify charts, which was blamed on staffers’ error in judgment. Shocker. :D
- KerrAvon 3y agoWere I a musician with control of my output, I’d sure as hell disallow Spotify streaming. Paying this dork $250M and me 3 cents for the same time period? Nope.
- apetresc 3y agoYou do understand they're not paying him $250M per listen, right?
- cmoski 3y agoI don't think the artists get 3c per listen either.
- cirrus3 3y agoYou may only get 3 cents in the same time period if no one likes your music enough to listen to it. You don't just get to throw anything up there and expect to get the same $250M. Certainly you understand that they don't pay by time period, right? Value to them comes from time spent actually consuming the content and how much they can make inserting ads during that time or getting new subscribers to avoid the number of ads. Maybe musicians are getting a bad deal, and I'm no longer fan of JRE either... but your argument is clearly so off-base.
- barnabee 3y agoI wish I could get a music only Spotify subscription. I’d be willing to pay slightly more than I pay for my subscription with everything, if they removed the other stuff from the UI entirely, guaranteed that none of my money would go towards podcasts or audiobooks or whatever, and that every extra penny went to the musicians I listen to not more profit for Spotify. Yes, Spotify is worth less to me when it includes anything other than music.
- epistasis 3y agoAgreed, nothing more annoying than having to deal with unwanted podcasts when looking for music. I love podcasts. I love Spotify. I do not want them in the same UI. It's like finding email notifications or Google Docs content in among my songs.
- 8f2ab37a-ed6c 3y agoSame. I have a dedicated app for podcasts, I'd rather keep Spotify specialized. Long-term the push to podcasts is simply better economics for Spotify, so they aren't going to stop going in that direction anytime soon.
- ethbr1 3y agoAgreed. It's like Amazon Video's slide towards being an advertising supported cable company. No company owes anybody being a company of a specific sort. And it's a nigh impossible battle to argue in favor of an order of magnitude less profitable business model if there are more profitable alternatives. One reason I always said Apple's lock on the App Store was a few down quarters from being seriously abused to the detriment of users.
- Voultapher 3y agoI think Cory Doctorow put it aptly: > Corporations run on a form of code – financial regulation and accounting practices – and the modern version of this code literally prohibits corporations from treating human beings with empathy. The principle of fiduciary duty to investors means that where there is a chance to make an investor richer while making a worker or customer miserable, management is obliged to side with the investor, so long as the misery doesn’t backfire so much that it harms the investor’s quarterly return. Source https://locusmag.com/2015/07/cory-doctorow-skynet-ascendant/ https://locusmag.com/2015/07/cory-doctorow-skynet-ascendant/
- mrinterweb 3y agoI left Spotify when they signed Rogan the first time. Rogan was spreading disinformation about COVID, that was potentially dangerous. Rogan's fans trust him and information they hear on his show, and when that information is potentially dangerous, that is unethical on Rogan's part. Also, Spotify pay artists the least of the streaming services per track. I don't consider Spotify ethical. Oh and after being treated to lossless fidelity streaming on other platforms, Spotify sounds like trash. Don't use Spotify.
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- thehumanmeat 3y agoRemember when CNN turned him yellow?
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- kibibu 3y ago> Spotify pay artists the least of the streaming services per track Citation? Every source I can find shows Spotify pays less than Tidal, Apple, but more that YouTube, Pandora, and Deezer... with the caveat that you need 1000 streams before you get paid at all. I suppose that means zero for most artists.
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- mrinterweb 3y agoI was basing that comment on what I have seen in the past. Checking now, it looks like Spotify is kind of middle of the road now in terms of artist comp. https://sugomusic.com/music-streaming-services-that-pay/ https://sugomusic.com/music-streaming-services-that-pay/ Edit: not sure how reliable that source is. There is so much wildly conflicting information. I can't find much consistency for current artist stream comp.
- gnicholas 3y ago> Spotify has locked Joe Rogan into another “multiyear” contract worth as much as $250 million, per The Wall Street Journal, though the audio giant will no longer be the sole distributor of his popular podcast. Is the $250M figure for each year? Or is it a 5 year deal worth $50M annually? Kind of a big difference (though both scenarios involve FU-money, of course). More importantly, Spotify is giving up their exclusivity. This is great! I had to download their app and make an account just to listen to a clip one time. I look forward to deleting the app forthwith.
- SilverBirch 3y agoFrom a PR perspective, I can understand why insiders would be keen to leak a massive headline figure and gloss over the fact it's probably a big step down from the previous deal - and as you say, is more likely to either be $50m annually or has some incentive structure that's unlikely to be met. If the deal were 250m per year that would be an incredible headline, there's no way they'd be quiet about that.
- gnicholas 3y agoIt makes sense that it would be much smaller than his initial deal on an annual basis. There's much less value in exclusivity since he already brought his biggest existing fans over to the platform. So they jettisoned exclusivity and enabled him to make tons more by monetizing on other platforms (twitter, youtube, third-party podcast apps). It would be interesting to know what percent of his total revenue ends up coming from this deal, now that the exclusivity is ending.
- SilverBirch 3y agoOh I read it the opposite way- he won’t be exclusive but Spotify would get the revenue from all advertisers. So say he releases on YouTube? The ad placement and revenue for that would at least go via Spotify and presumably Spotify would take a tidy chunk of that.
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- ilrwbwrkhv 3y agoGood on him for getting that bag. But poor Spotify. Nowhere to go and noway to escape from the trap.
- SilverBirch 3y agoIt's kind of impossible to say where this stands with regard to money since we don't know the length of the contract. The really interesting thing here really is that they've abandoned it as an exclusive, which kind of hammers the nail into the coffin of spotify trying to takeover podcasting. It looks a lot like they're basically paying Rogan and taking the ad revenue from across all platforms. This seems great for Rogan though - getting back his reach. But I just don't see how it makes any sense for Spotify other than saving face for their terrible strategic move.
- mikece 3y agoOpen standards -- and RSS is the open podcasting standard -- always win in the end. Listenership of the show (and the embedded ads) will skyrocket. Would be good if Spotify went further and embraced more open standards like OP3[1] and other aspects of Podcasting 2.0 but returning to an open RSS feed for the JRE is a good first step. [1] https://op3.dev/ https://op3.dev/
- josteink 3y agoIf Joe Rogan does one thing well, it has to be that despite popular perception in mainstream media there's a pretty big non-woke market and audience out there.
- gardenhedge 3y agoThat's the majority of people around the world tbh.
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- gardenhedge 3y agoThis will likely anger the woke crowd. I like the JRE. It's generally a good and interesting conversation. I normally skip the comedian guests though.
- 303uru 3y ago>woke LOL, I always enjoy finding someone who uses that unironically. JRE appeals to the lowest common denominator, enjoy!
- gardenhedge 3y agoHey, if you don't understand what woke means you can just ask. Also, don't be so fake.
- cmoski 3y agoWoke is a straw man for people who want to say something ignorant, offensive or inconsiderate and pretend there is some evil force trying to stop them (their conscience?).
- gardenhedge 3y agoNope it's not.
- erulabs 3y agoThe only people really angry about Rogan that I’ve met in real life either think he’s a complete idiot or purposely spreading misinformation, which always cracks me up, because theyre just as purposely spreading their half-informed ideas.
- swalsh 3y agoI've noticed most people I've met, whom seem to have strong negative opinions about him haven't listened to a single episode.
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- neonate 3y agohttps://archive.ph/5CG9j https://archive.ph/5CG9j