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Tesla facing another massive recall – affecting 2.2 million vehicles
- EchoDesertRobot 3y ago[flagged]
- nathanaldensr 3y ago[flagged]
- deweller 3y agoThe standard says the font must be 3.2 millimeters. Out of curiosity, how big is the font now?
- bryanlarsen 3y agoAnother massive recall... to increase the font size on some icons on their UI. That's it. That's all there is to the recall.
- tyleo 3y agoYeah, I can’t believe so many words are spilled in an article over such a nothing burger… well I can believe it but it’s sad. I’m just as much of a Tesla critic as anyone I’d say but this is really a reach.
- falcolas 3y agoIf it's become as formal as a recall, it's worth at least noting. Sure, the fix is simple (and most folks won't even notice), but Tesla was still forced into making the fix.
- peterisza 3y agoTesla wasn't actually being forced. In the past, other automakers like Ford, GM, Porsche and Kia/Hyundai ran into the exact same problem. They just filed an inconsequential non-compliance petition to NHTSA because this issue is so minor and it would have been too expensive for them to fix. They also concluded in their petition that this issue doesn't pose any risk on the driver. Source: https://youtu.be/480yxR_kmIg?si=dThdJD2_QceCyF_E&t=161 https://youtu.be/480yxR_kmIg?si=dThdJD2_QceCyF_E&t=161
- forgot-im-old 3y ago"remotecall"?
- bumby 3y agoIt seems to be a mandated requirement, as opposed to some subjective UI decision. The bigger deal is that it may indicate they don't have a good enough process to check/track these federal requirements.
- quonn 3y agoOmg, they forced Tesla. Presumably they also forced all other manufacturers to make the text the right size, whether they shipped that incorrectly or not. I don't think anyone had a choice.
- bumby 3y agoThe difference is that if the standards were in place before the manufacturing process, they shouldn't need to be recalled in the first place. "Forcing" means something different when standards aren't met vs. recalls related to fixes due to some non-standardized issue.
- peterisza 3y agosoftware manufacturing?
- bumby 3y agoI’m not sure what you’re asking. Is software prevalent in manufactured products? Certainly. Are there standards that govern their designs? Of course.
- peterisza 3y agoBy the way, Tesla wasn't actually being forced. In the past, other automakers like Ford, GM, Porsche and Kia/Hyundai ran into the exact same problem. They just filed an inconsequential non-compliance petition to NHTSA because this issue is so minor and it would have been too expensive to fix --- for them. Source: https://youtu.be/480yxR_kmIg?si=dThdJD2_QceCyF_E&t=161 https://youtu.be/480yxR_kmIg?si=dThdJD2_QceCyF_E&t=161
- bumby 3y ago>Tesla wasn't actually being forced. Can you explain? So by not "actually being forced" do you mean they found the issue themselves and brought it to Nitsa, or that they aren't making the change even though it would be easily done by an OTA update? In terms of inconsequential non-compliance, that's a risk-based approach. And that's the correct approach IMO. The difference is that risk-based decisions should ideally be made before manufacturing because it shows you understood the requirement and risk before making the design decision. An "easy fix" after the fact isn't a good explanation for not understanding the requirements in the first place. I agree this should also apply to other manufacturers, but the video is 1) looking at other cars nearly a decade old and 2) using a digital cluster and not a touchscreen. From that standpoint, it muddles the comparison just to pat Tesla on the back. It's like comparing a 1980s carburetor non-compliance to a modern EFI that can be fixed with reprogrammed fuel mapping; the principle is there, but it just makes for a bad analogy. Also: don't spam the thread with the same comment. You left this same copy/paste at least 7x. At best, it waters down the conversation and at worst, it comes across as shilling for Tesla and sets your otherwise decent point as fodder for shallow dismissal
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoIt’s a formal recall by government regulation, in our world it’s a software update.
- kevingadd 3y agoWe have safety standards for a reason. Details are important, especially in dangerous equipment like cars and airplanes.
- ThrowawayTestr 3y agoAre there standards for touch screen UI elements?
- bumby 3y agoFrom the article: "The agency [NHTSA] says that the brake, park and anti-lock brake warning lights have a smaller font size than required by federal safety standards."
- ThrowawayTestr 3y agoBut does that apply only to touchscreens or is that written before touchscreens?
- callalex 3y agoCan you explain why the input method is relevant?
- bumby 3y agoI don't know what requirements they are referencing, but the SAE standards are defined after well after touchscreens. (I believe touchscreens date back to the 1980s). But I think that is a somewhat unimportant point because the requirement intent is to make sure the warning is conspicuous. I'm not sure that touchscreens would be inherently different in that regard. Or are you thinking there's something unique to the touchscreens that makes them meet that intent in some other way?
- bryanlarsen 3y agoSure, the NHTSA did the right thing. The NY Post, on the other hand...
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- halfjoking 3y agoCan I use this at my dayjob? “Boss, it’s Friday… do we really want to recall our mobile version affecting all 10 million MAU?” But I just asked if we can make the fonts bigger on mobile?
- xeromal 3y agoAt this point I swear publishing stories on Tesla "recalls" are hit pieces. God forbid your car gets an update that takes 15 minutes OTA
- nickthegreek 3y ago>The agency says that the brake, park and anti-lock brake warning lights have a smaller font size than required by federal safety standards. How is it a hit piece? Tesla did not implement the federal safety standards correctly.
- xeromal 3y agoBecause the articles don't make it super obvious in the headline that it's a software update.
- nickthegreek 3y agoYa there is a bunch of missing information from the headline... thats why there is an article, to talk about it.
- xeromal 3y agoWe both know most people don't hence the journalistic integrity required to write a headline properly conveying the severity which is "It ain't shit."
- nickthegreek 3y agoAhhh, so the company is required to put all the juice in the headline, to save you a click, so they don't get your view. The current headline provides factual information and is in no way clickbait. As far as NYT Post headlines go... this has got the be the least egregious. If you want to be informed, RTFA. Why should we reorganize society for the laziest individual? That is the path to Idiocracy.
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- throwaway-blaze 3y agoWe need a term other than "recall" for minor software changes. The headline makes it sound like 2.2mm vehicles are going to be scheduling service appointments to fix this.
- nickthegreek 3y agoGood thing we are capable of reading beyond the headline. Recall once again is the correct word here. Every single time Tesla gets a recall (kinda often aint it?) there are people in HN comments who just want to fight over a word. There are federal safety standards and Tesla is not implementing them correctly, NHTSA issues a recall, full stop.
- notact 3y agoRegardless of what recall means today, in the past it meant a physical visit to the dealership. I believe there are many people (for example my mother) who would see the headline, not actually read the article, arrive at a mistaken conclusion that Tesla's must spend most of their time in the shop, and then spread that misinformation. So I agree, there should be a distinction between "Tesla owners required to visit a dealership" and "Tesla owners' cars receive updates while parked in their garage".
- nickthegreek 3y agoTesla owners will receive information (as required by law) about the issue and resolution. I am sorry that your mom decides to spread misinformation about articles that she did not read. That doesn't sound like an issue that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration should take into account.
- gfosco 3y agoPerhaps it's time to fight over words. The definition of recall no longer works, and I believe it is constantly used specifically negatively against Tesla. It has an effect on most people, who aren't savvy, who don't read beyond the headline. (i've not participated in these alleged battles before)
- xnx 3y agos/recall/free over-the-air update/
- callalex 3y agoNo, those aren’t the same thing. Tesla had to be forced to make their product safe by the regulator. If these updates are so easy and trivial in your mind, why doesn’t Tesla do them without being forced to?
- peterisza 3y agoTesla wasn't actually being forced. In the past, other automakers like Ford, GM, Porsche and Kia/Hyundai ran into the exact same problem. They just filed an inconsequential non-compliance petition to NHTSA because this issue is so minor and it would have been too expensive to fix --- for them. Source: https://youtu.be/480yxR_kmIg?si=dThdJD2_QceCyF_E&t=161 https://youtu.be/480yxR_kmIg?si=dThdJD2_QceCyF_E&t=161
- brandonagr2 3y agoThey weren't forced https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCLRPT-24V051-2023.PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2024/RCLRPT-24V051-2023.PDF "Tesla voluntarily made a recall determination."
- buffington 3y agoThat's how it works. There are incentives to voluntarily issuing a recall. The most important: no one can sue you for not having been up to the correct standard. It's not a "blow" to a company when they issue a recall, it's a legal shield that, though they'd rather never have needed to put up in the first place, are very happy to have when need arises.
- TheCaptain4815 3y agoThe WSJ frames this software update on the frontpage as: "Millions of Teslas Recalled Over Latest Safety Fix The affected vehicles will receive an over-the-air software remedy, Tesla said, the latest in a series of setbacks to hit the automaker." I wonder if the journalists writing that know how much they're "stretching the truth". I imagine a spectrum of truth, a movable gauge. I'd be curious to see where people would place a title such as that given the reality of the "recall". The people writing the titles, owners of teslas, liberals, conservatives, etc.
- ycnewsreader 3y agoThis is not their raster display UI. These are actual warning lights. Unlikely OTA can deliver actual installed hardware.
- brandonagr2 3y agoThe warning lights only exist on the LCD screen, this is what changed https://twitter.com/DriveTeslaca/status/1753302155275157637 https://twitter.com/DriveTeslaca/status/1753302155275157637
- caseysoftware 3y agoSo the "recall" is a software update changing the font size? Do we have another word to use? Also, how would a regular manufacturer approach the same problem?
- trust_bt_verify 3y agoSeems like recall is the best option given it is what Tesla is calling it. My Volvo regularly gets updates OTA, if they are a ‘regular’ enough manufacturer for your definition.
- Simulacra 3y agoMaybe there's just a lot of bad news, but so many of the articles and blogs about Tesla almost seem giddy when there's a mistake or problem. I think electric vehicles are a good thing, and I want Tesla to succeed, but maybe animosity towards Musk is fueling schadenfreude towards the company.