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You are right (and very observant) that this is mostly Ekrich when you dig into it. I didn't realise this until quite recently, and I too had assumed there was

You are right (and very observant) that this is mostly Ekrich when you dig into it. I didn't realise this until quite recently, and I too had assumed there was a lot more work about this. But what he's found in literature is pretty consistent, and biphasic sleep was once quite normal in a specific context: the siesta. It's dying out in continental Europe alas -- a lost cultural touchstone -- and in the contemporary West, a siesta is short (literally a nap). But a traditional Spanish siesta is the best part of a sleep cycle -- a good couple of hours, with an hour's rest spread either side. More than enough that you could have four hours sleep overnight throughout the longer days and not be incompetent the next day. My sleep is currently polyphasic, which is not a great time. But it has taught me that sleep in the absence of natural light (or the presence of consistent artificial light) does have a habit of going polyphasic. I woke up at 4:15am after about five hours of sleep. I just cleaned a grill pan. I may go back to sleep again. Sleep scientists seem pretty sure that polyphasic sleep is bad.

ilvez 3y ago
And it feels bad as well. I have polyphasic periods and I'm always relieved when they end. Not sure why I don't feel too good, because I have ways to cope now, but good monophasic sleep makes me wake up rested and without a headache.
- bemusedthrow75 3y ago
  I think it feels bad because it inevitably messes up one's digestive clock (which is implicated in robustly configuring the sleep clock) and by implication, particularly with modern food, blood sugar levels. (I suspect that the long cultural stability of the Spanish long siesta has a lot to do with the cultural stability of mealtimes -- and meal types/sizes -- that developed around it.) The other day I felt queasy, suddenly, after lunch at a normal time -- so queasy I had to write off the day. I then proceeded to sleep for the best part of 24 hours, because all the phases seemed to merge. A literal 24 hour period, useless. Other people lived normal lives in that period; for me it just vanished. I think blood sugar had a lot to do with that, as well as the time of year (winter in Britain) and it has definitely unnerved me. I cope by just accepting it; trying to do things when awake. But there are things you can't really do in the middle of the night if you live in a close, quiet neighbourhood; hoovering, running laundry, shredding documents, even some printers are noisy.
  - ilvez 3y ago
    Yes, accepting is big part. I read mostly and recently trying to meditate as well. Doing nothing productive to not signal that we actually should wake up. Especially bad are the nights when sleep comes after more than 2h of wake time. I'm trying to watch it from blood sugar perspective, I'm pretty good at extending periods between meals due to intermittent fasting, but there may be connections since Im not fasting all the time.
  - boomboomsubban 3y ago
    Feeling queasy then sleeping for a day sounds like more like the 24 hour flu than something blood sugar related.
- satvikpendem 3y ago
  Because it takes time to adapt fully. Your polyphasic periods are more like stopping and restarting a routine that disallow your body from adaptation. Those who adapt fully over the course of a month feel as good as you do during monophasic sleep.
dguest 3y ago
Question for people who sleep like this: do you live with anyone? How do they tolerate it? I can't imagine it's great to wake up to your roommate scraping pans in the kitchen on odd nights.
- hsbauauvhabzb 3y ago
  By not scraping pans in the middle of the night. Bigger, and well built dwellings help, as do earbuds and soft shoes.
  - bemusedthrow75 3y ago
    I have to tell you, 4am-5am, between sleep phases, is the best time to clean a kitchen. It's vaguely contemplative and when you go into the kitchen later that day it's like the cleaning fairy did it.
    - imp0cat 3y ago
      I think it's even better to do it right before sleep. Waking up to a clean kitchen which is nice. But obviously, YMMV.
      - bemusedthrow75 3y ago
        Oh... what I mean is, one of the things that is interesting about the gap between the two sleeps is that your brain is awash with prolactin. So some tasks you do in that period of time are done with a kind of lower level of objection, easier "starting", and in a contemplative start, and you're not actually tired. Which is what also gives this "cleaning fairy" sense that nobody in particular did it.
      - livueta 3y ago
        Always interesting to hear other perspectives on simple stuff like this. Personally, I like doing dishes in the morning while the espresso machine heats up. It's a nice rote task my half-asleep brain can come up to speed on, I feel like I've accomplished something right out of the gate, and I didn't need to interrupt the flow of whatever I was enjoying the previous night.
cafard 3y ago
One college summer I worked on a highway landscape crew. They put us on a schedule of 6 am to 2:30 pm, which got us out of the hottest part of the day. I would come home, clean up, and nap until dinner, say 5:30, then have a normal evening, turning in at about 10 pm and waking up at 4:30. It wasn't bad. I did like waking up at 4:30 on the weekend, rolling over, and going back to sleep.

ilvez 3y ago

And it feels bad as well. I have polyphasic periods and I'm always relieved when they end. Not sure why I don't feel too good, because I have ways to cope now, but good monophasic sleep makes me wake up rested and without a headache.

bemusedthrow75 3y ago
I think it feels bad because it inevitably messes up one's digestive clock (which is implicated in robustly configuring the sleep clock) and by implication, particularly with modern food, blood sugar levels. (I suspect that the long cultural stability of the Spanish long siesta has a lot to do with the cultural stability of mealtimes -- and meal types/sizes -- that developed around it.) The other day I felt queasy, suddenly, after lunch at a normal time -- so queasy I had to write off the day. I then proceeded to sleep for the best part of 24 hours, because all the phases seemed to merge. A literal 24 hour period, useless. Other people lived normal lives in that period; for me it just vanished. I think blood sugar had a lot to do with that, as well as the time of year (winter in Britain) and it has definitely unnerved me. I cope by just accepting it; trying to do things when awake. But there are things you can't really do in the middle of the night if you live in a close, quiet neighbourhood; hoovering, running laundry, shredding documents, even some printers are noisy.
- ilvez 3y ago
  Yes, accepting is big part. I read mostly and recently trying to meditate as well. Doing nothing productive to not signal that we actually should wake up. Especially bad are the nights when sleep comes after more than 2h of wake time. I'm trying to watch it from blood sugar perspective, I'm pretty good at extending periods between meals due to intermittent fasting, but there may be connections since Im not fasting all the time.
- boomboomsubban 3y ago
  Feeling queasy then sleeping for a day sounds like more like the 24 hour flu than something blood sugar related.
satvikpendem 3y ago
Because it takes time to adapt fully. Your polyphasic periods are more like stopping and restarting a routine that disallow your body from adaptation. Those who adapt fully over the course of a month feel as good as you do during monophasic sleep.

dguest 3y ago

Question for people who sleep like this: do you live with anyone? How do they tolerate it? I can't imagine it's great to wake up to your roommate scraping pans in the kitchen on odd nights.

hsbauauvhabzb 3y ago
By not scraping pans in the middle of the night. Bigger, and well built dwellings help, as do earbuds and soft shoes.
- bemusedthrow75 3y ago
  I have to tell you, 4am-5am, between sleep phases, is the best time to clean a kitchen. It's vaguely contemplative and when you go into the kitchen later that day it's like the cleaning fairy did it.
  - imp0cat 3y ago
    I think it's even better to do it right before sleep. Waking up to a clean kitchen which is nice. But obviously, YMMV.
    - bemusedthrow75 3y ago
      Oh... what I mean is, one of the things that is interesting about the gap between the two sleeps is that your brain is awash with prolactin. So some tasks you do in that period of time are done with a kind of lower level of objection, easier "starting", and in a contemplative start, and you're not actually tired. Which is what also gives this "cleaning fairy" sense that nobody in particular did it.
    - livueta 3y ago
      Always interesting to hear other perspectives on simple stuff like this. Personally, I like doing dishes in the morning while the espresso machine heats up. It's a nice rote task my half-asleep brain can come up to speed on, I feel like I've accomplished something right out of the gate, and I didn't need to interrupt the flow of whatever I was enjoying the previous night.

cafard 3y ago

One college summer I worked on a highway landscape crew. They put us on a schedule of 6 am to 2:30 pm, which got us out of the hottest part of the day. I would come home, clean up, and nap until dinner, say 5:30, then have a normal evening, turning in at about 10 pm and waking up at 4:30. It wasn't bad. I did like waking up at 4:30 on the weekend, rolling over, and going back to sleep.