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I think SuperNinKenDo is right. We are witnessing events now which are unprecedented. For example, Australia is now at the point where we have the police force

by jamhan 3y ago

I think SuperNinKenDo is right. We are witnessing events now which are unprecedented. For example, Australia is now at the point where we have the police force in a (once-)successful western democracy gaslighting for pro-terrorism protestors. The NSW Police just did a press conference [1] where they said "forensic analysis has found no evidence the phrase "gas the Jews" was chanted in videos circulating online from a pro-Palestinian rally at the Sydney Opera House, despite witness statements saying it was." They did not say who performed the forensic analysis. If you have seen/heard the videos (the one I watched was posted on X/Twitter on the 10th October 2023), it is quite obvious that the protestors shouted "gas the Jews" multiple times and it is absolutely extraordinary that anyone would claim otherwise. Here is another example. On the national holiday, Australia Day, January 26th, in Melbourne, there was an "Invasion Day" rally with "thousands of Aboriginal and Palestine flags". Protestors held a large banner with the message "Kill the Australian in your head" (i.e. "kys in minecraft") and calling for destruction of the country. [2] Read the article [3] about this incident that occurred near this protest: An elderly couple had earlier attended the 21-gun Australia Day salute at the Shrine of Remembrance near the city centre. They wore Australian flags in their hats. After that, they found themselves near the path of the protest. A police officer approached the man and said "You are under arrest for inciting a riot". We just had a copycat crime where teens stole cars and rammed cyclists and filmed it for TikTok [4], just like the well-publicized case from the USA last year. Edit: Attempted honour-killings: In Adelaide, Afghan immigrants caught trying to murder a daughter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7weY0gkfA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7weY0gkfA [1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-02/nsw-police-opera-house-protest-video-analysis/103418582 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-02/nsw-police-opera-hous... [2] https://archive.md/XBblW https://archive.md/XBblW [3] https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/shocked-melbourne-couple-claim-they-were-threatened-with-arrest-on-australia-day-for-doing-one-simple-patriotic-act/ar-BB1hsN9q https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/shocked-melbourne-c... [4] https://7news.com.au/news/teen-boys-arrested-after-cyclists-allegedly-targeted-and-hit-with-car-on-beach-rd-in-melbourne-c-13427322 https://7news.com.au/news/teen-boys-arrested-after-cyclists-...

lucubratory 3y ago
>If you have seen/heard the videos (the one I watched was posted on X/Twitter on the 10th October 2023), it is quite obvious that the protestors shouted "gas the Jews" multiple times and it is absolutely extraordinary that anyone would claim otherwise. The point is that those videos were almost certainly doctored to add that audio, almost certainly by the entity that claims responsibility for promoting the video, the AJA. That chant would have been a crime in Australia, so it became a police matter, and after investigating the video they found it didn't contain evidence of that crime. There were anti-Semitic chants at that rally (which were immediately and fully condemned by the organisers of the rally, who are good people, not anti-Semitic in the slightest, and who work with Jewish people constantly in their anti-Zionist activism), but there is no evidence that the specific chant the AJA alleged and provided likely falsified footage for was one of them.
boffinAudio 3y ago
On the flipside, Australians have fallen over themselves to serve the interests of foreign powers in countless heinous, illegal wars, flying the Nazi flag in Afghanistan, committing war crimes with impunity - for decades now. You can't make your heinously race-baiting claims without also accounting for our disgusting, utterly repugnant participation in America's racist wars.
hmcq6 3y ago
> We are witnessing events now which are unprecedented. Racism is in no way unprecedented. How is this allowed to stay up on HN?
- exodust 3y ago
  What they wrote is factual, if unrelated to main topic. Invasion Day started small, hundreds of people opposed to Australia's national day of celebration on Jan 26. The public holiday started in 1994, so it's not that old. There is common sense and reason around changing the date. Support from the wider Australian community is usually about compassion and understanding. But now in 2024, the sentiments of Invasion Day protests suddenly and forcefully have merged with pro-Palestinian causes. To the point the Palestinian flag took front position, ahead of the Aboriginal flag. The messages tweaked, the speakers at the events now including those who had no previous connections with Aboriginal causes, suddenly they're "brothers and sisters unified against Australia." Not only that but the "decolonising" rhetoric and hate as increased. There's an undoubtedly "extreme left" (for want of a better description) element that promotes an unprecedented violent resistance. No wonder some notable Aboriginal people such as Nova Peris and Marcia Langton have distanced themselves and oppose the unified causes. Langton said: "there is very little comparable in our respective situations, other than our humanity". Peris said: "It is historically and morally inappropriate to raise the Palestinian cause in conjunction with 26 January." How about children skipping school to chant Allua Akbars in the CBD and holding signs saying "resistance is not terrorism"? That happened. How about "teachers for Palestine" caught in recordings promoting pro-palestine action plans for the classroom, including mathematics classes. Yep, they are planning to bring pro palestine causes while teaching algebra. Never mind this breaches Australian Education Dept rules. The teachers openly mocked those rules on the recording. A lot is happening lately that falls into the unprecedented zone.

by jamhan 3y ago

lucubratory 3y ago

>If you have seen/heard the videos (the one I watched was posted on X/Twitter on the 10th October 2023), it is quite obvious that the protestors shouted "gas the Jews" multiple times and it is absolutely extraordinary that anyone would claim otherwise. The point is that those videos were almost certainly doctored to add that audio, almost certainly by the entity that claims responsibility for promoting the video, the AJA. That chant would have been a crime in Australia, so it became a police matter, and after investigating the video they found it didn't contain evidence of that crime. There were anti-Semitic chants at that rally (which were immediately and fully condemned by the organisers of the rally, who are good people, not anti-Semitic in the slightest, and who work with Jewish people constantly in their anti-Zionist activism), but there is no evidence that the specific chant the AJA alleged and provided likely falsified footage for was one of them.

boffinAudio 3y ago

On the flipside, Australians have fallen over themselves to serve the interests of foreign powers in countless heinous, illegal wars, flying the Nazi flag in Afghanistan, committing war crimes with impunity - for decades now. You can't make your heinously race-baiting claims without also accounting for our disgusting, utterly repugnant participation in America's racist wars.

hmcq6 3y ago

> We are witnessing events now which are unprecedented. Racism is in no way unprecedented. How is this allowed to stay up on HN?

exodust 3y ago
What they wrote is factual, if unrelated to main topic. Invasion Day started small, hundreds of people opposed to Australia's national day of celebration on Jan 26. The public holiday started in 1994, so it's not that old. There is common sense and reason around changing the date. Support from the wider Australian community is usually about compassion and understanding. But now in 2024, the sentiments of Invasion Day protests suddenly and forcefully have merged with pro-Palestinian causes. To the point the Palestinian flag took front position, ahead of the Aboriginal flag. The messages tweaked, the speakers at the events now including those who had no previous connections with Aboriginal causes, suddenly they're "brothers and sisters unified against Australia." Not only that but the "decolonising" rhetoric and hate as increased. There's an undoubtedly "extreme left" (for want of a better description) element that promotes an unprecedented violent resistance. No wonder some notable Aboriginal people such as Nova Peris and Marcia Langton have distanced themselves and oppose the unified causes. Langton said: "there is very little comparable in our respective situations, other than our humanity". Peris said: "It is historically and morally inappropriate to raise the Palestinian cause in conjunction with 26 January." How about children skipping school to chant Allua Akbars in the CBD and holding signs saying "resistance is not terrorism"? That happened. How about "teachers for Palestine" caught in recordings promoting pro-palestine action plans for the classroom, including mathematics classes. Yep, they are planning to bring pro palestine causes while teaching algebra. Never mind this breaches Australian Education Dept rules. The teachers openly mocked those rules on the recording. A lot is happening lately that falls into the unprecedented zone.