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Will the athletes dope so much they shorten their lifespan like bodybuilders ?

d6e 3y ago
We allow American football, even encouraging it with kids
nwiswell 3y ago
It's very unclear whether it's the doping that's predominantly responsible for the increase in mortality, or whether it's the constant bulk/diet cycles, or the intentional and sometimes extreme dehydration, the volume of food and protein, or some other lifestyle-related factors. There have been a number of longitudinal studies focused on steroids in particular, and they failed to produce really meaningful evidence of steroid mortality. One study in particular looked at East German Olympic athletes, many of whom were the witting or unwitting subjects of a state-sponsored steroid program, and found that as a population, they actually lived longer than their West German Olympic counterparts, in relation to their national population. (Table 2) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7739809/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7739809/ That said, the bodybuilders may be abusing steroids to such a degree that it's causing the excess mortality. It's a very interesting subject, I read this study about it recently: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-022-01801-0 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-022-01801-0
- nradov 3y ago
  Dr. Chris Raynor has a good video explaining what's been going on with bodybuilder deaths in layman's terms. https://youtu.be/BwciAdSGIwE?si=9iqG2Mnz54IRQE8U https://youtu.be/BwciAdSGIwE?si=9iqG2Mnz54IRQE8U
  - me_me_me 3y ago
    There is an interview with one of the Mr Universe guy, who lives in constant whole body pain. Great way to retire.
threeseed 3y ago
Absolutely. Right now the ecosystem of research drugs is large, easy to access and completely unregulated. And there is a huge incentive mechanism because you could be the one to find the next EPO and thus have a major advantage over your competitors. Of course the problem is that the risk of issues is significantly higher because they simply aren't tested especially longitudinally.
Fluorescence 3y ago
It might be a good idea to be like Sumo and still have testing, but for health markers not illicit substances. Require that competitors's blood pressure, hematocrit, heart function, diabetes etc. are within safe limits. It will do a lot to stop people dropping dead on TV at least.

d6e 3y ago

We allow American football, even encouraging it with kids

It's very unclear whether it's the doping that's predominantly responsible for the increase in mortality, or whether it's the constant bulk/diet cycles, or the intentional and sometimes extreme dehydration, the volume of food and protein, or some other lifestyle-related factors. There have been a number of longitudinal studies focused on steroids in particular, and they failed to produce really meaningful evidence of steroid mortality. One study in particular looked at East German Olympic athletes, many of whom were the witting or unwitting subjects of a state-sponsored steroid program, and found that as a population, they actually lived longer than their West German Olympic counterparts, in relation to their national population. (Table 2) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7739809/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7739809/ That said, the bodybuilders may be abusing steroids to such a degree that it's causing the excess mortality. It's a very interesting subject, I read this study about it recently: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-022-01801-0 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-022-01801-0

nradov 3y ago
Dr. Chris Raynor has a good video explaining what's been going on with bodybuilder deaths in layman's terms. https://youtu.be/BwciAdSGIwE?si=9iqG2Mnz54IRQE8U https://youtu.be/BwciAdSGIwE?si=9iqG2Mnz54IRQE8U
- me_me_me 3y ago
  There is an interview with one of the Mr Universe guy, who lives in constant whole body pain. Great way to retire.

threeseed 3y ago

Absolutely. Right now the ecosystem of research drugs is large, easy to access and completely unregulated. And there is a huge incentive mechanism because you could be the one to find the next EPO and thus have a major advantage over your competitors. Of course the problem is that the risk of issues is significantly higher because they simply aren't tested especially longitudinally.

Fluorescence 3y ago

It might be a good idea to be like Sumo and still have testing, but for health markers not illicit substances. Require that competitors's blood pressure, hematocrit, heart function, diabetes etc. are within safe limits. It will do a lot to stop people dropping dead on TV at least.