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Quite disturbed these days by the state of governance in this country, on so many levels. Things aren't headed in a bad direction, we're well down the road. Whe

Quite disturbed these days by the state of governance in this country, on so many levels. Things aren't headed in a bad direction, we're well down the road. Where will this country be in 40 years time I wonder?

Larrikin 3y ago
This could have been a comment someone said every single year since the tea was thrown in the river in Boston. It could refer to either side of any argument. Make a real point instead of a reactionary statement to a single event.
- pavel_lishin 3y ago
  > Boston Friendlyjordies is Australian, and SuperNinKenDo lives there as well.
  - Larrikin 3y ago
    Fair point, but it's even more sad that it can apply to any country in the world
  - defrost 3y ago
    Okay then, so howabout: This could have been a comment uttered in Australia every single year since fifteen years after the tea was thrown in the river in Boston. It could refer to either side of any argument. Does that work for you? As a fellow Australian it works for me.
    - SuperNinKenDo 3y ago
      Australia didn't exist for several hundred of those years, so, in all good humour, no.
      - Thorentis 3y ago
        Assuming you're acting in good faith, I agree that your original comment was extremely generic, and the point of this person's reply was simply to say "this comment could have been uttered at any point in history". Countries and government are always in flux and crtiscisms of a generic nature are almost always applicable. I don't think the comment was so cryptic as to require my explanation, but I hope it's helpful.
        drc500free 3y ago
        I think more specifically, they were going for "any point since the advent of modern democracy." And obviously before that, but the assumption of who government was responsible to underwent a massive paradigm shift. "Gee, Charlemagne doesn't seem to have the interests of us serfs in mind" wouldn't have been a very interesting conversation back in the day.
        defrost 3y ago
        The assumption of who government was responsible to underwent a massive paradigm shift with the issue of the Magna Carta in June 1215. The case could be made that there was a long slow steady devolution of power in the UK system of Government since 1215 until the present, that was branched, modified and frozen by the US Constitution which has remained in a kind of "little King for four years" stasis since while other countries have continued to evolve government, democracy, elections and representation.
      - defrost 3y ago
        Australia has existed as a free continent for at least 35 million years, it has been inhabited for some 70 thousand years, and it had governance with a governor since 15 years after the Boston tea party [0][1]. Which Australia are you thinking of? Quite disturbed these days by the state of governance in this country, on so many levels. - William Kermode, Tasmanian maritime merchant (1836) [3] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party The Boston Tea Party was an American political and mercantile protest on December 16, 1773, by the Sons of Liberty in Boston in colonial Massachusetts. [1] https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/about/Pages/1788-to-1810-Early-European-Settlement.aspx https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/about/Pages/1788-to-1810-E... The first settlement, at Sydney, consisted of about 850 convicts and their Marine guards and officers, led by Governor Arthur Phillip. They arrived at Botany Bay in the "First Fleet" of 9 transport ships accompanied by 2 small warships, in January, 1788. [3] https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2024/feb/02/george-arthur-tasmania-maritime-museum-colonial-statue-satire-protest-art- https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2024/feb/02/george-arthu...
- SuperNinKenDo 3y ago
  The original video, and my comment, have no connection to any tea in any harbour. Edit to actually add something to the conversation: I think any (deep thinking) person in Australia will understand my comment: there's a serious breakdown in governance that's going on. I'd say the issues are somewhat generalisable to other Commonwealth countries too, but lately here in Australia it feels like there's an intractable rot that's taken hold. It's more concerning to me than mere incompetence, or thinking that "[other side] bad", it's a breaking down of the political system itself. That said, if you look at Australian history, unsurprisingly for an ex penal colony that was federalised by non-ideologues, its system of governance has not developed in a very wholistic or unproblematic way, basically ever.
  - boffinAudio 3y ago
    Australians need to understand that for as long as they cannot investigate the war crimes of 'their' defense forces, their government will remain corrupt and corruptible to an extreme degree. The Australian people do not have oversight of their military - only the sovereign does, we must ask permission - and in that set of circumstances our government is simply not functioning in our interests, and will not do so in any other regard until that situation is addressed. You cannot expect a government whose crimes are covered up by a foreign sovereign to be willingly subservient to the people they are supposed to serve. The Australian government do not serve the Australian people, period - they serve foreign interests, always. You can see this in every single sphere of Australian governance.
- jamhan 3y ago
  I think SuperNinKenDo is right. We are witnessing events now which are unprecedented. For example, Australia is now at the point where we have the police force in a (once-)successful western democracy gaslighting for pro-terrorism protestors. The NSW Police just did a press conference [1] where they said "forensic analysis has found no evidence the phrase "gas the Jews" was chanted in videos circulating online from a pro-Palestinian rally at the Sydney Opera House, despite witness statements saying it was." They did not say who performed the forensic analysis. If you have seen/heard the videos (the one I watched was posted on X/Twitter on the 10th October 2023), it is quite obvious that the protestors shouted "gas the Jews" multiple times and it is absolutely extraordinary that anyone would claim otherwise. Here is another example. On the national holiday, Australia Day, January 26th, in Melbourne, there was an "Invasion Day" rally with "thousands of Aboriginal and Palestine flags". Protestors held a large banner with the message "Kill the Australian in your head" (i.e. "kys in minecraft") and calling for destruction of the country. [2] Read the article [3] about this incident that occurred near this protest: An elderly couple had earlier attended the 21-gun Australia Day salute at the Shrine of Remembrance near the city centre. They wore Australian flags in their hats. After that, they found themselves near the path of the protest. A police officer approached the man and said "You are under arrest for inciting a riot". We just had a copycat crime where teens stole cars and rammed cyclists and filmed it for TikTok [4], just like the well-publicized case from the USA last year. Edit: Attempted honour-killings: In Adelaide, Afghan immigrants caught trying to murder a daughter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7weY0gkfA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7weY0gkfA [1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-02/nsw-police-opera-house-protest-video-analysis/103418582 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-02/nsw-police-opera-hous... [2] https://archive.md/XBblW https://archive.md/XBblW [3] https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/shocked-melbourne-couple-claim-they-were-threatened-with-arrest-on-australia-day-for-doing-one-simple-patriotic-act/ar-BB1hsN9q https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/shocked-melbourne-c... [4] https://7news.com.au/news/teen-boys-arrested-after-cyclists-allegedly-targeted-and-hit-with-car-on-beach-rd-in-melbourne-c-13427322 https://7news.com.au/news/teen-boys-arrested-after-cyclists-...
  - lucubratory 3y ago
    >If you have seen/heard the videos (the one I watched was posted on X/Twitter on the 10th October 2023), it is quite obvious that the protestors shouted "gas the Jews" multiple times and it is absolutely extraordinary that anyone would claim otherwise. The point is that those videos were almost certainly doctored to add that audio, almost certainly by the entity that claims responsibility for promoting the video, the AJA. That chant would have been a crime in Australia, so it became a police matter, and after investigating the video they found it didn't contain evidence of that crime. There were anti-Semitic chants at that rally (which were immediately and fully condemned by the organisers of the rally, who are good people, not anti-Semitic in the slightest, and who work with Jewish people constantly in their anti-Zionist activism), but there is no evidence that the specific chant the AJA alleged and provided likely falsified footage for was one of them.
- ActorNightly 3y ago
  We are way past empires. With the exception of the middle east, most of the world is generally united. You can mix people from developed countries and everyone would get along. The standard for living has been raised quite a bit, so its totally acceptable to hold government to higher standard.
mikecoles 3y ago
Australians are not alone in enduring misery induced by governments that have grown too large and controlling.
Bluescreenbuddy 3y ago
put the pearls down.

Larrikin 3y ago

This could have been a comment someone said every single year since the tea was thrown in the river in Boston. It could refer to either side of any argument. Make a real point instead of a reactionary statement to a single event.

pavel_lishin 3y ago
> Boston Friendlyjordies is Australian, and SuperNinKenDo lives there as well.
- Larrikin 3y ago
  Fair point, but it's even more sad that it can apply to any country in the world
- defrost 3y ago
  Okay then, so howabout: This could have been a comment uttered in Australia every single year since fifteen years after the tea was thrown in the river in Boston. It could refer to either side of any argument. Does that work for you? As a fellow Australian it works for me.
  - SuperNinKenDo 3y ago
    Australia didn't exist for several hundred of those years, so, in all good humour, no.
    - Thorentis 3y ago
      Assuming you're acting in good faith, I agree that your original comment was extremely generic, and the point of this person's reply was simply to say "this comment could have been uttered at any point in history". Countries and government are always in flux and crtiscisms of a generic nature are almost always applicable. I don't think the comment was so cryptic as to require my explanation, but I hope it's helpful.
      - drc500free 3y ago
        I think more specifically, they were going for "any point since the advent of modern democracy." And obviously before that, but the assumption of who government was responsible to underwent a massive paradigm shift. "Gee, Charlemagne doesn't seem to have the interests of us serfs in mind" wouldn't have been a very interesting conversation back in the day.
        defrost 3y ago
        The assumption of who government was responsible to underwent a massive paradigm shift with the issue of the Magna Carta in June 1215. The case could be made that there was a long slow steady devolution of power in the UK system of Government since 1215 until the present, that was branched, modified and frozen by the US Constitution which has remained in a kind of "little King for four years" stasis since while other countries have continued to evolve government, democracy, elections and representation.
    - defrost 3y ago
      Australia has existed as a free continent for at least 35 million years, it has been inhabited for some 70 thousand years, and it had governance with a governor since 15 years after the Boston tea party [0][1]. Which Australia are you thinking of? Quite disturbed these days by the state of governance in this country, on so many levels. - William Kermode, Tasmanian maritime merchant (1836) [3] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party The Boston Tea Party was an American political and mercantile protest on December 16, 1773, by the Sons of Liberty in Boston in colonial Massachusetts. [1] https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/about/Pages/1788-to-1810-Early-European-Settlement.aspx https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/about/Pages/1788-to-1810-E... The first settlement, at Sydney, consisted of about 850 convicts and their Marine guards and officers, led by Governor Arthur Phillip. They arrived at Botany Bay in the "First Fleet" of 9 transport ships accompanied by 2 small warships, in January, 1788. [3] https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2024/feb/02/george-arthur-tasmania-maritime-museum-colonial-statue-satire-protest-art- https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2024/feb/02/george-arthu...
SuperNinKenDo 3y ago
The original video, and my comment, have no connection to any tea in any harbour. Edit to actually add something to the conversation: I think any (deep thinking) person in Australia will understand my comment: there's a serious breakdown in governance that's going on. I'd say the issues are somewhat generalisable to other Commonwealth countries too, but lately here in Australia it feels like there's an intractable rot that's taken hold. It's more concerning to me than mere incompetence, or thinking that "[other side] bad", it's a breaking down of the political system itself. That said, if you look at Australian history, unsurprisingly for an ex penal colony that was federalised by non-ideologues, its system of governance has not developed in a very wholistic or unproblematic way, basically ever.
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  Australians need to understand that for as long as they cannot investigate the war crimes of 'their' defense forces, their government will remain corrupt and corruptible to an extreme degree. The Australian people do not have oversight of their military - only the sovereign does, we must ask permission - and in that set of circumstances our government is simply not functioning in our interests, and will not do so in any other regard until that situation is addressed. You cannot expect a government whose crimes are covered up by a foreign sovereign to be willingly subservient to the people they are supposed to serve. The Australian government do not serve the Australian people, period - they serve foreign interests, always. You can see this in every single sphere of Australian governance.
jamhan 3y ago
I think SuperNinKenDo is right. We are witnessing events now which are unprecedented. For example, Australia is now at the point where we have the police force in a (once-)successful western democracy gaslighting for pro-terrorism protestors. The NSW Police just did a press conference [1] where they said "forensic analysis has found no evidence the phrase "gas the Jews" was chanted in videos circulating online from a pro-Palestinian rally at the Sydney Opera House, despite witness statements saying it was." They did not say who performed the forensic analysis. If you have seen/heard the videos (the one I watched was posted on X/Twitter on the 10th October 2023), it is quite obvious that the protestors shouted "gas the Jews" multiple times and it is absolutely extraordinary that anyone would claim otherwise. Here is another example. On the national holiday, Australia Day, January 26th, in Melbourne, there was an "Invasion Day" rally with "thousands of Aboriginal and Palestine flags". Protestors held a large banner with the message "Kill the Australian in your head" (i.e. "kys in minecraft") and calling for destruction of the country. [2] Read the article [3] about this incident that occurred near this protest: An elderly couple had earlier attended the 21-gun Australia Day salute at the Shrine of Remembrance near the city centre. They wore Australian flags in their hats. After that, they found themselves near the path of the protest. A police officer approached the man and said "You are under arrest for inciting a riot". We just had a copycat crime where teens stole cars and rammed cyclists and filmed it for TikTok [4], just like the well-publicized case from the USA last year. Edit: Attempted honour-killings: In Adelaide, Afghan immigrants caught trying to murder a daughter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7weY0gkfA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7weY0gkfA [1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-02/nsw-police-opera-house-protest-video-analysis/103418582 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-02/nsw-police-opera-hous... [2] https://archive.md/XBblW https://archive.md/XBblW [3] https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/shocked-melbourne-couple-claim-they-were-threatened-with-arrest-on-australia-day-for-doing-one-simple-patriotic-act/ar-BB1hsN9q https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/shocked-melbourne-c... [4] https://7news.com.au/news/teen-boys-arrested-after-cyclists-allegedly-targeted-and-hit-with-car-on-beach-rd-in-melbourne-c-13427322 https://7news.com.au/news/teen-boys-arrested-after-cyclists-...
- lucubratory 3y ago
  >If you have seen/heard the videos (the one I watched was posted on X/Twitter on the 10th October 2023), it is quite obvious that the protestors shouted "gas the Jews" multiple times and it is absolutely extraordinary that anyone would claim otherwise. The point is that those videos were almost certainly doctored to add that audio, almost certainly by the entity that claims responsibility for promoting the video, the AJA. That chant would have been a crime in Australia, so it became a police matter, and after investigating the video they found it didn't contain evidence of that crime. There were anti-Semitic chants at that rally (which were immediately and fully condemned by the organisers of the rally, who are good people, not anti-Semitic in the slightest, and who work with Jewish people constantly in their anti-Zionist activism), but there is no evidence that the specific chant the AJA alleged and provided likely falsified footage for was one of them.
ActorNightly 3y ago
We are way past empires. With the exception of the middle east, most of the world is generally united. You can mix people from developed countries and everyone would get along. The standard for living has been raised quite a bit, so its totally acceptable to hold government to higher standard.

mikecoles 3y ago

Australians are not alone in enduring misery induced by governments that have grown too large and controlling.

Bluescreenbuddy 3y ago

put the pearls down.