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> Even if you're _very good_ at Git, finding the correct invocation of "git blame" (is it "-w -C -C -C"? Or just _two_ dash C's?) to even find the right message

by brabel 3y ago

> Even if you're _very good_ at Git, finding the correct invocation of "git blame" (is it "-w -C -C -C"? Or just _two_ dash C's?) to even find the right messages I am terrible at git on the terminal, but with IntelliJ or emacs and magit, I can trivially find every commit ever to change a file, and easily navigate the commits to see every full commit message. It's not hard when you use a proper tool, and I have a feeling almost everyone has something like that?! Do you really try to stick with the git CLI and memorize hundreds of commands and flags?? Why?!

schacon 3y ago
I don't know IntelliJ well, but I would be surprised if they did the rather expensive rename following that the multiple -C invocations did. Maybe someone can inform us here? GitHub definitely does not, but that is 100% my personal fault I assume.
DarkNova6 3y ago
100% this
bradjohnson 3y ago
IME git abstractions make it easy to read and navigate standard workflows, but incredibly difficult to repair issues that arise due to divergence of some kind or another because they are so opinionated. I use git 99% in the terminal, and 1% in some git tool for visualization, but I find that a lot of people use it in the opposite way and have problems working with others that use a very slightly different workflow. You don't need to memorize hundreds of commands and flags, honestly a dozen or two gets you to expert status in most respects.
- brabel 3y ago
  I don't have any problem at all, when some really tricky stuff needs to be done, I google for a solution and run whatever command magic I find. If you don't need to google for git commands to do uncommon things, I imagine you have a huge capacity to memorize things, good for you, but most of us don't. I do understand how git works and could use the CLI most of the time if I wanted to, but there's exactly zero reason to do so. The GUIs offered by modern tools make it much more convenient and efficient to do things correctly. You really should't commit stuff without doing a careful review of the changes first, which is terrible to do in the terminal compared with using a GUI for that, for example.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    ChatGPT is really good at giving me the git invocation I need for weird complex stuff that doesn't come up everyday.
  - mixmastamyk 3y ago
    Terminal for repeatability, gitlab for visualization is a good combo I’ve found. Push your branch and a great diff is waiting for you.
bigfatfrock 3y ago
I was mind blown reading this also - are we not programmers for the sake of laziness in the face of these kinds of "problems"? I have to hail Tim Pope for Fugitive.vim also. HAIL TIM POPE!
winwhiz 3y ago
Really simple answer: Repeatability. I am not saying it is the only one right blessed answer, but if you really want to know why people haven't moved to pure GUI interfaces, imagine describing to someone how to add a new directory to their path. fleet $HOME/.config/fish.config # ADD this line somewhere set -x PATH /opt/git/bin $PATH Or: 1. Either hit WINDOWS-E and right click on This PC and select properties (it might be called something other than This PC if someone renamed it) or either press WINDOWS key or click Start or click the Windows icon (if you don't see them try mousing into a corner of your screen (typically bottom left) until they and the rest of the bar un-autohide) look for and click a gear symbol (should expand to say Settings if you hover), click System, on the left and the bottom you should see About. 2. Click the text Advanced system settings (on the right), look for a new window with a set of tabs, you want Advanced. Click the button Environment Variables. 3. In the top columnar box EITHER find a variable named Path, highlight and click button Edit, in a new window click button New, type '/opt/bin/git' in a text field that has appeared at the bottom list items, click OK OR click the button New, in a new window enter Path for Variable name and /opt/git/bin for Variable value, click OK (you shouldn't need to Browse Directory or Browse File). 4. Click OK button, click OK button, close Settings window.
- EdwardDiego 3y ago
  Don't even need the set -x, can just use fish_add_path for convenience.
- marwis 3y ago
  On Windows it's actually just: 1. Press Win key 2. Type env 3. Choose system or account
  - winwhiz 3y ago
    Thanks! This is what I was secretly hoping for. I am doing this a lot lately.
  - fbdab103 3y ago
    It's even better because thanks to the Start Menu randomization process either could appear first in the results. Sometimes they will switch position after being presented.
mostlylurks 3y ago
I don't find it more difficult to use or remember commands for than remembering how to accomplish similar tasks in some GUI (especially if that GUI is emacs). And unlike most GUIs (emacs may be an exception), I can trust that my knowledge of the git CLI won't become out of date when my GUI tool inevitably undergoes a UI redesign of some sort. But more importantly, the CLI allows my typical workflow where I chain together a bunch of git (and other) commands in a row, allowing me to just type in, for instance, several different commits, their messages, and what files should go into each in one go without having to break my concentration by having to move around in some GUI between commits. Sprinkle in some stash manipulation and interactive rebases, compilation, and unit testing, and you'll really start to see how the CLI allows you to offload some of your working memory to your invocation in a way that a GUI just can't.
mschuster91 3y ago
> Do you really try to stick with the git CLI and memorize hundreds of commands and flags?? Why?! Because IntelliJ is... less capable than it should be. Personally, I find `git add/commit -p`, `git diff` far easier to use than IntelliJ, and because Python is a fucking mess I had to install the codecommit git helper into a Python venv... but you can't tell IntelliJ to use that venv's $PATH for `git pull`/`git push`. Oh, and you can't really macro complex stuff in IntelliJ, whereas I can do a single-command release and push-tag of a project with about 30 Git submodules in a (convoluted) Bash one-liner.

by brabel 3y ago

schacon 3y ago

I don't know IntelliJ well, but I would be surprised if they did the rather expensive rename following that the multiple -C invocations did. Maybe someone can inform us here? GitHub definitely does not, but that is 100% my personal fault I assume.

DarkNova6 3y ago

100% this

bradjohnson 3y ago

IME git abstractions make it easy to read and navigate standard workflows, but incredibly difficult to repair issues that arise due to divergence of some kind or another because they are so opinionated. I use git 99% in the terminal, and 1% in some git tool for visualization, but I find that a lot of people use it in the opposite way and have problems working with others that use a very slightly different workflow. You don't need to memorize hundreds of commands and flags, honestly a dozen or two gets you to expert status in most respects.

brabel 3y ago
I don't have any problem at all, when some really tricky stuff needs to be done, I google for a solution and run whatever command magic I find. If you don't need to google for git commands to do uncommon things, I imagine you have a huge capacity to memorize things, good for you, but most of us don't. I do understand how git works and could use the CLI most of the time if I wanted to, but there's exactly zero reason to do so. The GUIs offered by modern tools make it much more convenient and efficient to do things correctly. You really should't commit stuff without doing a careful review of the changes first, which is terrible to do in the terminal compared with using a GUI for that, for example.
- fragmede 3y ago
  ChatGPT is really good at giving me the git invocation I need for weird complex stuff that doesn't come up everyday.
- mixmastamyk 3y ago
  Terminal for repeatability, gitlab for visualization is a good combo I’ve found. Push your branch and a great diff is waiting for you.

bigfatfrock 3y ago

I was mind blown reading this also - are we not programmers for the sake of laziness in the face of these kinds of "problems"? I have to hail Tim Pope for Fugitive.vim also. HAIL TIM POPE!

winwhiz 3y ago

Really simple answer: Repeatability. I am not saying it is the only one right blessed answer, but if you really want to know why people haven't moved to pure GUI interfaces, imagine describing to someone how to add a new directory to their path. fleet $HOME/.config/fish.config # ADD this line somewhere set -x PATH /opt/git/bin $PATH Or: 1. Either hit WINDOWS-E and right click on This PC and select properties (it might be called something other than This PC if someone renamed it) or either press WINDOWS key or click Start or click the Windows icon (if you don't see them try mousing into a corner of your screen (typically bottom left) until they and the rest of the bar un-autohide) look for and click a gear symbol (should expand to say Settings if you hover), click System, on the left and the bottom you should see About. 2. Click the text Advanced system settings (on the right), look for a new window with a set of tabs, you want Advanced. Click the button Environment Variables. 3. In the top columnar box EITHER find a variable named Path, highlight and click button Edit, in a new window click button New, type '/opt/bin/git' in a text field that has appeared at the bottom list items, click OK OR click the button New, in a new window enter Path for Variable name and /opt/git/bin for Variable value, click OK (you shouldn't need to Browse Directory or Browse File). 4. Click OK button, click OK button, close Settings window.

EdwardDiego 3y ago
Don't even need the set -x, can just use fish_add_path for convenience.
marwis 3y ago
On Windows it's actually just: 1. Press Win key 2. Type env 3. Choose system or account
- winwhiz 3y ago
  Thanks! This is what I was secretly hoping for. I am doing this a lot lately.
- fbdab103 3y ago
  It's even better because thanks to the Start Menu randomization process either could appear first in the results. Sometimes they will switch position after being presented.

mostlylurks 3y ago

I don't find it more difficult to use or remember commands for than remembering how to accomplish similar tasks in some GUI (especially if that GUI is emacs). And unlike most GUIs (emacs may be an exception), I can trust that my knowledge of the git CLI won't become out of date when my GUI tool inevitably undergoes a UI redesign of some sort. But more importantly, the CLI allows my typical workflow where I chain together a bunch of git (and other) commands in a row, allowing me to just type in, for instance, several different commits, their messages, and what files should go into each in one go without having to break my concentration by having to move around in some GUI between commits. Sprinkle in some stash manipulation and interactive rebases, compilation, and unit testing, and you'll really start to see how the CLI allows you to offload some of your working memory to your invocation in a way that a GUI just can't.

mschuster91 3y ago

> Do you really try to stick with the git CLI and memorize hundreds of commands and flags?? Why?! Because IntelliJ is... less capable than it should be. Personally, I find `git add/commit -p`, `git diff` far easier to use than IntelliJ, and because Python is a fucking mess I had to install the codecommit git helper into a Python venv... but you can't tell IntelliJ to use that venv's $PATH for `git pull`/`git push`. Oh, and you can't really macro complex stuff in IntelliJ, whereas I can do a single-command release and push-tag of a project with about 30 Git submodules in a (convoluted) Bash one-liner.