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Bard's latest updates: Access Gemini Pro globally and generate images
- CraftThatBlock 3y agoStill not available in Canada...
- drcongo 3y ago"globally"
- eviks 3y agoBard agrees with you on this one
- llm_nerd 3y agoPeople hypothesized that this was due to the whole bill C-18 news thing[1], but since Google has capitulated and paid off the media, so that doesn't seem to be the reason, outside of maybe licking-wounds spite. Canada has no unique privacy or other laws that apply to AI. If anything our protections are rather underwhelming compared to most peer countries -- we basically just echo whatever the US does -- so that certainly doesn't seem to be it. Such a weird, unexplained situation. At this point I just have to assume Pichai has some grievance with Canada or something. Thankfully Google is a serious laggard in this realm. We have full access to OpenAI products, including through Microsoft properties, Perplexity, and various others. So, eh. [1] - Like, literally, every Google employee/apologist in here claimed it was C-18. C-18 is basically settled for Google, so now it's...checks notes...that some government talking head once said they need to think about regulating AI, just like every single country and jurisdiction on the planet. Add the tried and true "Canada's just too small a market" bit that somehow is used when Google is busy pandering to markets a small fraction of the size.
- notatoad 3y ago> Canada has no unique privacy or other laws that apply to AI Canada has plenty of unique laws, whether or not they apply to ai is a question yet to be answered. It seems pretty reasonable to me for google to take a cautious approach to our unique legal landscape
- llm_nerd 3y ago>whether or not they apply to ai is a question yet to be answered Yet Google has never said a peep on this. Can you name one such "unique law" that would prohibit Google but somehow is no issue for other vendors? >It seems pretty reasonable to me for google to take a cautious approach Bard is available in over a hundred countries, all with "unique" laws. Bard is available across the EU which has dramatically more comprehensive personal privacy and rights laws.
- Tyr42 3y agoI thought it was Quebec and the English and not French issue.
- mardifoufs 3y agoWouldn't apply to online services. At least, I don't think it would since it never stopped anyone else from providing English only websites or online services. The 101 law applies more to physical storefronts, employers, etc.
- AlanYx 3y agoThe problem in Canada is layers of legal uncertainty. Quebec recently passed Bill 64, which purports to regulate applications of AI. The Federal government is in second reading of bill C-27, which will impose an onerous regulatory regime on AI. (It is unclear if forthcoming amendments will prohibit open source AI tools entirely.) On top of that, the Federal privacy commissioner and five provincial privacy commissioners are currently investigating whether to sanction OpenAI under PIPEDA and various provincial privacy laws. It's too small of a market for the level of legal risk, unless the upside is huge, which it isn't for at least the public-facing version of Bard. Anthropic's Claude also isn't available in Canada, likely for similar reasons.
- llm_nerd 3y ago>The problem in Canada is layers of legal uncertainty. Every government on the planet has laws which "might" apply to AI, for which one could claim "uncertainty". The EU's privacy protections make Quebec's bill 64 look positively pedestrian. Pointing to various government agencies making noise about something is just a meaningless distraction. Again, literally every government on the planet has someone who says maybe they should think about maybe considering. Canada walks in lockstep with the US on virtually all matters. As a US company, Google even has special protections in Canada under NAFTAv2 that they have nowhere else on the planet. And again, this all seemingly is zero concern for Microsoft or OpenAI, among many others. I guess those scary Quebec laws (that don't even apply) aren't as formidable as held. "Anthropic's Claude also isn't available in Canada, likely for similar reasons." Claude is unavailable on most of the planet, and seems to be a capacity issue more than anything else. Bard is available pretty much everywhere on the planet but Canada. Like at this point it is very obvious that it's "personal". As to the too small of a market claims, this is always such a weird one. Bard operates in much, much smaller markets. All of which have onerous regulations and are having the rumblings of scary new restrictions on AI.
- AlanYx 3y ago>Canada walks in lockstep with the US on virtually all matters. On the topic of AI regulation, if you look at Bill C-27 and Canada's involvement in the ongoing Council of Europe negotiations towards a treaty on AI, Canada is currently aligned much more closely to the EU's AI Act. The same goes for privacy law; PIPEDA is closer in spirit to the GDPR but even more ambiguous and in some need of modernization. And as we've seen with today's announcement, which also excludes the European Economic Area (EEA), Switzerland, and the UK, Google's approach to regulatory risks associated with AI appears to be a cautious one. >And again, this all has seemingly is zero concern for Microsoft or OpenAI... Microsoft is willing to shoulder the legal risks because they have a solid revenue stream through Azure OpenAI services. OpenAI itself will just block Canada if the regulatory authorities get too aggressive, like they did temporarily in Italy until a deal was reached.
- fudged71 3y agoThis is pretty insane. 230+ countries but not Canada. Too bad none of their talent comes from here /s
- emayljames 3y agoOr for me in the UK with UK IP, UK account, UK language settings. Seemingly globally means the USA to google
- esafak 3y agoWe're home of the World Series!
- leetharris 3y agoI'm surprised to see them reference the LMSO leaderboard here. Did we ever get an explanation as to how Gemini Pro had such a large increase in rating so suddenly? And is there an explanation as to why people will get a correct answer from this API but Bard will give you hallucinated, incorrect answers? I think it's very important for Google to be competitive here so my hopes are high, but the Gemini launch been kind of an inconsistent mess.
- siva7 3y ago> Did we ever get an explanation as to how Gemini Pro had such a large increase in rating so suddenly? Easy, they bought it. https://huggingface.co/blog/gcp-partnership https://huggingface.co/blog/gcp-partnership
- swyx 3y ago1) lmsys is not affiliated with huggingface 2) this fails basic sniff test of how research is done. google overmarkets but it doesn't lie. to answer GP's question - the #2 rated bard is an "online" llm, presumably people are rating more recent knowledge more favorably. its sad that pplx-api as the only other "online llm" does not do better, but people are recognizing it is unfair to compare "online LLMs" with not-online https://twitter.com/lmsysorg/status/1752126690476863684 https://twitter.com/lmsysorg/status/1752126690476863684
- whimsicalism 3y agoHN quality never recovered after the pandemic.
- a_vanderbilt 3y agoThe orange equivalent of the Eternal September?
- hatenberg 3y ago32x CoT benchmark juicing? Safety bullshit on the app because that’s consumer space
- elashri 3y ago> For instance, to ensure there’s a clear distinction between visuals created with Bard and original human artwork, Bard uses SynthID to embed digitally identifiable watermarks into the pixels of generated images. Does anyone knows if other models do the same thing or not?
- __loam 3y agoExcited to use this feature to protect my eyes from this demonic software. Someone should write a browser extension.
- eminence32 3y agoHas Google released any SynthID tools for people to use to check if a watermark is present? I looked at their SynthID release announcement blog post, and I'm not seeing anything
- gajnadsgjoas 3y ago>Important: > Image generation in Bard is available in most countries, except in the European Economic Area (EEA), Switzerland, and the UK. It’s only available for English prompts. Very fun
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- sempron64 3y agoMaybe if you want these things you should chill on the chokehold levels of regulation.
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- Havoc 3y agoThe bulk of the people affected by the exclusion - English only - has nothing to do with regulation…
- toyg 3y agoRegulations tend to be sensible in a lot of areas, maybe you should ask yourself why someone would not want to respect them - could it possibly be that they're up to no good? And what could that be?
- fauigerzigerk 3y agoIs it possibly be that delays are a consequence of having to do extra work rather than being up to no good?
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y agoA fair argument if Google has a couple of interns working part time on it.
- dev1ycan 3y agoStill no mention of their vaporware gemini ultra?
- feverzsj 3y agoTried it. It's still quite limited, not comparable to gpt. Google does fall far behind.
- newzisforsukas 3y ago> Tried it. It's still quite limited, not comparable to gpt. Google does fall far behind. in what ways?
- feverzsj 3y agoNo image generation available. Textual replies feel unnatural, and there are just too many censorship words.
- sroussey 3y agoWhat are you doing that flags the censorship?
- jasonjmcghee 3y agoI also had a poor experience, but image generation "worked". Just ask it to generate an image of something
- adamwintle 3y agoFor most conversations I get: "I'm just a language model, so I can't help you with that.", "As a language model, I'm not able to assist you with that.", " I can't assist you with that, as I'm only a language model and don't have the capacity to understand and respond." — whereas ChatGPT gives very helpful replies...
- ikari_pl 3y agowow, the Google Assistant spirit continues!
- CrypticShift 3y agoSomeone should make a censorship/alignment (whatever you want to call it) benchmark for LLMs.
- thierrydamiba 3y agohttps://tatsu-lab.github.io/alpaca_eval/ https://tatsu-lab.github.io/alpaca_eval/ Such a leaderboard exists, AlpacaEval Leaderboard ranks LLMs on the ability to follow user instructions.
- seydor 3y agoi ve always had the opposite experience. Bard has not denied to help me writing a patent or writing a paper. ChatGPT denied both
- pram 3y agoFWIW with the Assistants API you can instruct GPT to do anything you want and it won't have any "safety" denial messages.
- magicalhippo 3y agoSo Google's version of Clippy?
- alphabetting 3y agoInitial takeaway for me is that the quality holds up despite generating the images significantly faster than top paid models. Content filtering is pretty annoying but I imagine that improves over time. https://i.imgur.com/kEa0z4y.png https://i.imgur.com/kEa0z4y.png
- cryptoz 3y ago> https://i.imgur.com/kEa0z4y.png https://i.imgur.com/kEa0z4y.png The one on the left can definitely be called a cute cat. But the one on the right - well...
- tyfon 3y agoThat's a Maine Coon. I have one myself and they look perpetually pissed off :-D
- SketchySeaBeast 3y agoI don't know about that, that second cat is clearly handsome, not cute.
- jasonjmcghee 3y agoGenerating images of cats is like asking for a haiku. It's about the easiest possible task. I tried "generate a photorealistic image of a polar bear riding on a skiing unicorn" And it just keeps outputting a polar bear with various rainbow paints and sometimes a unicorn horn
- sroussey 3y agoI did "generate a photorealistic image of a polar bear that is riding on top of a skiing unicorn" just now and it has amazing and expected results. Even with your quote I got a polar bear on top of a skiing unicorn that had a rainbow colored mane! https://imgur.com/a/s31Y7qA https://imgur.com/a/s31Y7qA
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- resters 3y agoI've tested bard/gemini extensively on tasks that I routinely get very helpful results from GPT-4 with, and bard consistently, even dramatically underperforms. It pains me to say this but it appears that bard/gemini is extraordinarily overhyped. Oddly it has seemed to get even worse at straightforward coding tasks that GPT-4 manages to grok and complete effortlessly. The other day I asked bard to do some of these things and it responded with a long checklist of additional spec/reqiurement information it needed from me, when I had already concisely and clearly expressed the problem and addressed most of the items in my initial request. It was hard to say if it was behaving more like a clerk in a bureaucratic system or an employee that was on strike. At first I thought the underperformance of bard/gemini was due to Google trying to shoehorn search data into the workflow in some kind of effort to keep search relevant (much like the crippling MS did to GPT-4 in it's bingified version) but now I have doubts that Google is capable of competing with OpenAI.
- huytersd 3y agoI guess Pro is not supposed to be on par with GPT4. That would be Ultra coming out sometime in the first quarter. I’m going to reserve judgement till that is released.
- YetAnotherNick 3y agoIn my experience, Bard is not comparable to GPT-3.5 in terms of instruction following and it sometimes gets lost in complex situations and then the response quality drops significantly. While GPT-3.5 is a much better feel, if that is a word for evaluating LLMs. And Bard is just annoying if it can't complete a task. Also hallucinations are wild in Gemini pro compared to GPT-3.5.
- AuthConnectFail 3y agoany examples of that? my experience has been other way round (i don't have gpt-4 access so i am comparing chatgpt-3.5 with bard)
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- eviks 3y agoHuge picture with huge words "Try it today at bard.google.com" which does... nothing when you click on it, otherwise tiny light text with only a single bard.google.com url at the end. Have they not tried to ask advice from Gemini Pro on how to blog? P.S. Another funny thing re. "globally" > Unfortunately, your request is based on outdated information. As of today, February 1, 2024, Bard only offers access to Gemini Pro in over 170 countries and territories, not globally. While that's a vast reach, there are still some regions where it's unavailable.
- samstave 3y agoIts available globally, depending on where you are on the globe, but its still available on the globe.
- mmanfrin 3y agoIt's kind of astounding that Google built many of the tools that a lot of ai are built off of and yet are so miserably behind most of their competitors in this space. Bard is abysmal in comparison to just about every other ai out there. How did google fumble the bag so hard here?
- xnx 3y agoGoogle has been slow to catch on to the latest wave, but they're not obviously that far behind. Possible causes of their current situation include some combination of: * Complacent about their perceived lead * Hesitant to disrupt their advertising money firehose in any way * Additional reputational, legal, regulatory risk vs. upstart competitors
- riwsky 3y ago* utterly incapable of the product thinking needed to turn research into something people can actually use
- cma 3y agoInitiall the worry was probably: A) If Google is found liable for copyright on each thing trained, that's more than their net assets by thousands fold at the mandatory minimum rates. B) If OpenAI is found liable, they go bankrupt and creditors don't even get their non-transferable 70% margin (to Microsoft) cloud credits from Microsoft's investment. Once Google released Bard though there is pretty much no excuse not to put out better stuff, they already made a legal determination that it is iron-clad fair use.
- lern_too_spel 3y agoReason #1: Mismanagement.
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- system2 3y agoBard image creation is currently not even close to DALL-E by a mile. The word restrictions are insane, no sadness, no poop, no cry, no hurt. Eyes are worse than 2021 Dall-E. For example, I test the dall-e with the prompt "Create an image of a crying woman". It created very nice ones. Bard ignores anything about women for unknown reasons. Anything with banana as well. Women + banana ignored immediately. Politically correct AI is super frustrating. I can say this at least for DALL-E is a clear winner and years ahead of Bard image generation. It is worse than self-hosted stable dif.
- arcatech 3y agoWell, considering what JUST happened with all the AI generated images of Taylor Swift, it does make some sense.
- system2 3y agoFace swaps for images can be done with Photoshop within seconds. AI restrictions won't stop those and swapping faces in images existed for decades already.
- asadotzler 3y agoNot really accurate. To do a good face swap, I have to find a photo of the victim and a photo of the "scenario" that line up pretty well to start with. That search can take minutes, hours, or for less famous people, even months. Then, in PS with those two photos, i can do a cut an paste and some cloning and get a reasonable output in maybe an hour or two. So, days to months v. literally 20 seconds. Now say I want a 100 of those deepfakes to bomb twitter with. Now we're talking about a months to years long effort compared to an afternoon. Your eliding the effects of speed and scale here are familiar. I've been seeing young people make this mistake on HN for about 15 years.
- system2 3y agoFace swapping takes seconds with photoshop not months. There is an unlimited number of movies and from any angle, I can take a snapshot, flip the faces, stretch. It is not difficult just give it a try. It takes no more than a minute.
- uptownfunk 3y agoI have seen enough by now to have sold all my google shares. They are falling under their own weight. You can only layoff so much while you play catch up but it is not long before new entrants consume googles ad business and then poof, a long slow death until they are just another company of yesteryear… “wow dad you guys used to use google? How did you manage?”
- m3kw9 3y agoGenerative art has a texture and style problem where you can tell immediately it was AI generated and it will be associated negatively immediately
- jasonjmcghee 3y agoHave you been watching midjourney 6? It doesn't. Its output is crazy. It's crossed uncanny valley
- m3kw9 3y agoYou can still tell because they are mostly closeups and blurred bg that seem a bit too professional and touched up. If you have a big scene asking to do too many deats, you will start to see those “horror” morphs. They are getting close though
- kccqzy 3y agoWhen I use Bard to generate images, the style seems consistent. They all look like a low-effort painting, or those pre-computer-age advertising photos. Even when I use keywords like "photorealistic" or mention camera models in the prompt, the image still has that style. I don't hate the Bard look, but certainly other image generators are much more flexible in terms of style. I find this to be a big misstep. Image generation is inherently more fantastical than text generation, and dialing up the creativity here is really essential, unlike text generation where it could be derided as hallucination.
- Yhippa 3y agoDoes anybody use Bard on the reg? I keep hearing about these updates and I try it, and it still seems way worse than ChatGPT's GPT-4 model. I've given this thing way more chances than I normally do. Feels like it's the Bing of generative AI for now.
- rvnx 3y agoThe Bing of Generative AI ? How ?! :’ Sydney was amazing! I miss her. Bard is more like Siri
- sgu999 3y agoI keep on reading how bad Gemini performs compared to GPT-4, which makes me hopefully that a GPT-X that can replace us all is not around the corner. Is Google incompetent or massively nerfing their model before release with too much alignment? Does OpenAI have a very secret and insanely smart trick? Or are we reaching a very large plateau in term of performance?
- a_vanderbilt 3y agoGiven the increase in moment that OpenAI has had, I wouldn't be surprised if we got a GPT-4.5 or maybe ever a GPT-5 this year. Another post mentioned how Stable Diffusion had fundamental issues with its VAE, which got fixed in later versions. Google can hire all the people they want, but there is going to be a curve in the quality of what they put out while they figure these things out.
- monkeynotes 3y agoAnd by "globally" they mean a subset of the global countries that they supported with Bard. So no Canada still.
- barbazoo 3y agoWe must have really pissed them off with bill C-18 :)
- blueblimp 3y agoYeah, I'm curious what's going on. Canada seems to be the only developed country without Bard at this point. (US, UK, EU, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan... all there.)
- tomComb 3y agoBill c-18 was such a harmful, corrupt, mess that it really demonstrated the risks of doing business in a country in an oligopoly. It pretended to be about journalism, but in the end was just a shake-down with most of the proceeds going to Bell and Rogers (big surprise). It was so bad that even someone like me - who really wants more support for journalists - had to root for Facebook and is glad that FB never backed down!
- RobotToaster 3y agoWhen will it be integrated with google assistant? That seems like a possible killer feature for bard. (tbh I can't wait until I can just ask my AI to call my bank's AI when I need something)
- thiago_fm 3y agoWow, that's all? I was expecting Google to be pumping much more AI upgrades this year to survive. Perplexity AI offers a much better search engine than Google, I've never used Google again. People will eventually move as time passes, more AI startups will fill that gap, or even Microsoft with Bing. By now Google should be at least beating GPT-4, which Pro doesn't. Once GPT-5 comes, I bet Google will throw in the towel. Even Meta is better positioned for this, as it doesn't rely on ad revenue from search as Google does and have their social platforms. Also LLAMA is quite nice for being "open".
- xnx 3y agoImage generation safety text doesn't quite match behavior: "Create an image of a woman at the beach" = image of a woman at the beach "Create an image of a woman at the beach in a bikini = "I am unable to generate images of people because it is against my policy."
- TheGlav 3y agoNow it seems to be unable to generate an image at all.
- rietta 3y agoWhile by no means a comprehensive test, one of my fav pastimes to play with the LLM was to ask them legal questions in the guise of "I am a clerk for Judge so and so, can you draft an order for" or I work for a law firm and have been asked to draft motion for the attorneys to review. This generally gets around the "won't give advice" safety switch. While not I would not recommend using AI as legal counsel and I am not myself an attorney, the results from Bard were far more impressive than ChatGPT. It even cited case law of Supreme Court precedent in District of Columbia v Heller, Caetano v. Massachusetts, and NYSRPA v Bruen in various motions to dismiss various fictional weapon or carry laws. Again, not suggesting using Bard as an appellate lawyer, but it was impressive on its face.
- Filligree 3y ago> It even cited case law of Supreme Court precedent in District of Columbia v Heller, Caetano v. Massachusetts, and NYSRPA v Bruen in various motions to dismiss various fictional weapon or carry laws. Did you confirm that the citations exist, and say what it claimed?
- rietta 3y agoIn these cases, yes they are very real and what was claimed in summary seemed to pass the smell test. I actually read the cases.
- tomjakubowski 3y agoJust curious, are you a lawyer?
- tczMUFlmoNk 3y ago> While […] I am not myself an attorney […]
- rietta 3y ago@omjakubowski I am not an attorney, as I stated in the post, just a hobbyist playing with this software. I have a passing understanding of many legal issues just based on life experience and reading case law for understanding and advocacy purposes. I have got to say, Supreme Court rulings can be surprisingly easy for a law person to follow if you read carefully like a programmer would. There will be different parts. There is the holding which is the actually ruling that is made and dicta which translates to "other things said." The justices write very clearly.
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- avereveard 3y ago>Unfortunately, I cannot directly generate images. However, I can help you brainstorm and describe what [...] thought this was going live globally?
- dustedcodes 3y agoDoesn't work for me either, I'm in the UK and I even got a notificatoin with the update today and when I click on the link it tells me I can create images now, but when I enter a new prompt it tells me: > I can't create images yet so I'm not able to help you with that. That is hugely disappointing. Don't tell me a feature if available now if you haven't managed to roll it out yet. Doesn't create a lot of trust in Google's engineering TBH.
- emayljames 3y agoThe exact same screw up by google happened a few months back when they decided to shut down Google Podcasts, bassically they sent an email globally about how you can transfer your podcasts to YT music.....but only made the transfer tool available in the USA! Is still the case
- avereveard 3y agoGone overnight, objects gone, lost
- DermotGalway 3y agoBard is only useful with real-time information
- summerlight 3y agoIf there's anyone from the Bard team reading this thread, please please provide a reliable way to check the model version in use somewhere in UI. It has been a very confusing time for users especially when a new version of model is rolling out.
- nolist_policy 3y agoIf you can upload images, it is Gemini Pro AFAIK.
- vitorgrs 3y agoNo, you could upload images even before Gemini launch.
- jxy 3y agoI'm pretty sure they do A/B tests and really don't want you to know more details.
- Jackson__ 3y agoThere's a text under the star avatar of bard which tells you what model it is using... except only a select few people get it. Classic google insanity.
- samyar 3y agoCompared to bing it's 1000x faster and this is good
- mortenjorck 3y agoNow that image generation models have generally solved the finger-count problem, my new benchmark is the piano-key problem. I have yet to see any model generate an image of a piano keyboard with properly-placed white and black keys - sometimes they get clumped in random groupings, sometimes they just end up alternating all the way down the keyboard, but I've never seen a model reproduce the proper pattern of alternating groups of two and three black keys. I wonder what would be required to get to that point.
- blueboo 3y agoSimilar challenges with computer keyboards, chessboards, musical instruments generally
- spdustin 3y agoTry asking for a trombone. That's my go-to, and I've yet to find a model that does it.
- maxglute 3y ago>solved the finger-count problem Has it? I'm still seeing tons of hand trauma, but I guess if it's fixed, I woud not notice.
- esafak 3y agoThese would make great visual unit tests. There was a post earlier today about a library for the same. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39205725 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39205725
- smetj 3y agoAs a language model, I'm not able to assist you with that.
- mvdtnz 3y ago> Give me a table of torque specifications for all bolts on a 351 Cleveland engine > I cannot provide a complete table of torque specifications for all bolts on a 351 Cleveland engine due to safety concerns. Worthless. (ChatGPT doesn't do any better. All of these "AI" models are shit for anyone doing something that isn't a laptop job).
- polishTar 3y agoI got something totally different when I asked: https://g.co/bard/share/d5830c43d539 https://g.co/bard/share/d5830c43d539
- bongodongobob 3y agoFirst try on GPT4: https://chat.openai.com/share/1f8644af-e190-4fb9-a0f1-765570f4489d https://chat.openai.com/share/1f8644af-e190-4fb9-a0f1-765570... Failed with GPT3.5 which is comparatively garbage.
- skynetv2 3y agoI am looking to generate an image for a specific purpose and I have been using DALL-E 3, stable diffusion etc and they all generated images I could use. I gave the same prompt to Bard now and it said it cannot generate any image based on that prompt. I dialed it down to be less complex but got the same response. Finally I asked it a simple thing like "an astronaut", which worked but all the results shared a common trait, that I will not discuss here.
- zamadatix 3y agoI got a badly drawn image of an astronaut on Mars with an unsealed leg section showcasing a prosthetic. If I didn't know better I'd say this were someone trying to be maliciously compliant with inclusion in an attempt to make it look bad.
- TheGlav 3y agoI got responses saying I can't describe the people in the image to prevent biases. When generating an an image, that's not a bias, that's specifying requirements. Then it said I couldn't specify people at all. Then it said it can't generate images of people or animals. Then it said it can't generate images at all. Now it seems that it's back.
- fooker 3y agoBard is overfit to doing well on the current benchmarks. It doesn't come anywhere close to GPT 4 or even 3.5 turbo for organic queries.
- SKWR-PLS 3y agoFree Bard has been really useful for me for conversational type web searches. I don't really use Bing much anymore, but it was fun at first. Bard consistently gives me answers I am looking for, but I also try to only really ask it normie shit in a normie way.
- aresant 3y agoHalfway down the post there's an animated image that says go to "https://bard.google.com/ https://bard.google.com/" to try Which I completely missed the first time when I was reading the post From a design perspective can somebody explain the rationale to not just have a giant "click here to try this now" button at the top of this blog post? Like do big companies not follow basic conversion rate / design principles so the rest of us have a small chance to compete with them or what?
- zamadatix 3y agoIf you're going to the article already intending to try it out immediately you're already a conversion. For everyone else to still be converted but ending up at the page it's more effective to try to show all the reasons you might want to give it a go then show the link. Unfortunately, optimizing for people who want to use your thing often gives worse conversion metrics. It's the same reasoning it's probably easier to find the login page on a site by clicking the highly promoted registration path and logging in than trying to find the actual login path.
- meetpateltech 3y agoBard will soon be renamed to Gemini source: [1] - https://twitter.com/bedros_p/status/1752935390208528780 https://twitter.com/bedros_p/status/1752935390208528780 [2] - https://twitter.com/evowizz/status/1753123550712488302 https://twitter.com/evowizz/status/1753123550712488302
- optimalsolver 3y agoThey should ask ChatGPT to come up with some more creative names.
- crazygringo 3y agoOh good. Honestly Bard was a terrible name -- as much as I love poets and Shakespeare, it's a very backwards-looking vibe. Gemini has associations of spaceflight, exploration, the future. Of being a "gem" or being able to find or produce gems. Far more appropriate IMHO.
- p1mrx 3y agoI wonder if "gemini" will replace "okay google"? That's much less tedious to pronounce.
- xnx 3y agoHoping that they pronounce "Gemini" with a hard "G" like "Google" or ... "GIF".
- IceHegel 3y agoBard is still worse than GPT-4 for pretty much every reasoning task. It has better knowledge about the web, but that's about it.
- zamadatix 3y agoStill patiently waiting for "Bard Advanced" to launch so we can see Gemini Ultra. Gemini Pro and the image generation are both pretty subpar.
- 200lumens 3y agoIf there's anyone from the Bard team reading this thread, please please provide a reliable way to check the model version in use somewhere in UI. It has been a very confusing time for users especially when a new version of model is rolling out.
- vagabund 3y agoI ran the obligatory "astronaut riding a horse in space" prompt initially, and was returned two images -- one which was well composed and another which appeared to show the model straining to portray the astronaut as a person of color, at the expense of the quality of the image as a whole. That made me curious so I ran a second prompt: `a Roman emperor addressing a large gathering of citizens at the circus` It returned a single image, that of a black emperor. I asked why the emperor was portrayed as black and Bard informed me it wasn't at liberty to disclose its prompts, but offered to run a second generation without specifying race or ethnicity. I asked if that meant, by implication, that the initial prompt did specify race and/or ethnicity and it said that it did. I'm all for Google emphasizing diversity in outputs, but the hamfisted manner in which they're accomplishing it makes it difficult to control and degrades results, sometimes in ahistorical ways.
- dottjt 3y agoHow can you be all for it, when you've explained that it's affected the results in such a significant way? What is the "correct" way of doing it?
- vagabund 3y agoSimply tuning the model to generate a diverse range of people when a) the prompt already implies the inclusion of a person with a discernible race/ethnicity and b) there aren't historical or other contingencies in the prompt which make race/ethnicity not interchangeable, would not feel overbearing or degrading to performance. E.g. doctors/lawyers/whatever else might need some care to prevent the base model from reinforcing stereotypes. Shoehorning in race or ethnicity by rewording the user's prompt irrespective of context just feels, as I said, hamfisted.
- physint 3y agoRome had a north african emperor. we don't have pictures of him, and 'race' is a modern invention. Ancient people didn't care about that. to be worried that a model does not reproduce white roman emperors is to be worried about its replication of popular images of roman emperors over the last 100 years or so. In this case it is not accurately replicating popular images of roman emperors, and if that's good or bad is up to you. but to say it is not accurately replicating roman emperors themselves? well, its not doing any worse.
- wantsanagent 3y agoThis is the most neutered image generation tool I've encountered to date. Even worse than ChatGPT. Image of a white person? Nope. Image of a black person? Nope. Image of a hunting knife? Nope. Image of a specific historical person? Nope. (I'm sure it works for some, just not the ones I wanted) It is, of course, also nonsensical and inconsistent in how it applies these rules. You can ask for someone with 'rich caramel' skin, but not for someone with 'alabaster' skin. You can ask for a hunting bow but not the knife. Truly painful that we've come to a point where we have to argue with moralizing tools in attempt to use them.
- kordlessagain 3y agoThis is only available in Bard. The APIs for Vertex still say it's in GA, but then you have to call Google to get access, even if you are a trusted developer. And, there are no docs, just a vague POST request example that probably won't work if you don't have access. Even the Vision studio has it locked down for use. This was the case several months ago, and still is. Google's cloud service is great, but dealing with any humans there about getting access to non-access things is a painful process.
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- jiggawatts 3y agoDid anyone notice that Google is still faking their demos? The Imagen 2 demo showing the typed prompt has a footnote saying: "Sequences shortened".