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Isn't the pay smaller compared to other big companies in NL?

jacquesm 3y ago
I'm not sure if I understand your question correctly, but if you mean the pay compared to US tech companies active in NL then I would say it depends very much on your specialization. Engineer: 40k and up, team lead: 70k and up, project manager: 90k and up. I don't have much data on other roles but the 'and up' is the big factor, depends on seniority and specific skills. What really strikes me is that an extremely high fraction of the people that work there speak highly of their employer. I'm sure Google or FB would pay more, especially if you're prepared to move the USA. Other 'big companies in NL' can pay crap or good depending very much on the company, the field they are active in and the kind of job you are looking for so that's a bit too generic to do something with. HTH.
- ThalesX 3y ago
  > Engineer: 40k and up [...] I'm sure Google or FB would pay more There's body shops in Eastern Europe that pay more for junior frontend developers...
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    The 'and up' bit is relevant. I know some people there that do large multiples of that figure.
  - yourusername 3y ago
    Minimum wage in the Netherlands is about 26k a year so i sure hope it skews to "and up", you can make 40k at a helpdesk resetting people's passwords.
  - amelius 3y ago
    Primary school teachers make 40k to 72k in the Netherlands. It doesn't make sense to be a software engineer in that country, unless you prefer looking at a screen all day over working with people.
    - wkat4242 3y ago
      Whoa I'm a senior enterprise it architect in Spain and I only make 60k lol. The Netherlands standard of living has really accelerated since I left there
- poisonborz 3y ago
  That's truly sad if true and up to date. Your top of 70k for a staff engineer is a common senior salary at any software company in DACH area (working on totally boring tech like Salesforce or SAP). If that's for an industry as as unique as chip production, something is very off.
  - vidarh 3y ago
    Where did you read top of 70k? He stated 70k and up for a team lead, not a staff engineer. 70k is the bottom for that role. Given the starting point is that for 'just' a team lead, presumably a staff engineer would start much higher, if they have that role. I agree it's low given even a team lead role, but it depends on how many are on the low end of their pay scale.
- EtienneK 3y ago
  Those salaries seem quite low compared to the Randstad. If these are true, then the answer is "Yes"...
  - dekleinewolf 3y ago
    Can you name me 3 tech companies in the Randstad that aren't consultancy that pay more than that? I don't think these numbers are exceptionally high but they're not low either. Source: Former SWE, current PM in the Randstad.
    - EtienneK 3y ago
      https://techpays.eu/europe/netherlands https://techpays.eu/europe/netherlands
    - yread 3y ago
      Amsterdam's crypto fintech startups buy the souls of juniors for 73K. Juniors!
    - apexalpha 3y ago
      I work for the largest ISP (KPN) and started at €43k for my traineeship about 6 years ago. I'm now at €80k. €40k is way too low, way way too low. People starting out in regular jobs in healthcare or education without too much education already make €45k. €45k is 'modaal' in 2024, the modal salary for the entire country. I think your numbers are about 10 years behind reality.
    - seper8 3y ago
      Booking Microsoft Google Amazon Flow Optiver Messagebird Etc etc etc
- Moldoteck 3y ago
  I meant not just US comps but Spotify/Booking/etc... Was asking because was reading some comments in the past that the pay is not that competitive
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    Booking vs ASML? ASML any day. Even though Booking.com is nearby. I don't think what Booking.com does is remotely interesting whereas ASML is driving forward the whole of the semiconductor industry. That's a very easy choice. If it is just about pay then they are roughly comparable depending on your specialty, though Booking has less technical debt.
    - Moldoteck 3y ago
      I understand the 'interestigness' but was asking particularly about the pay, because I've heard asml isn't exactly among the top payers, should research levels.fyi I guess to see for myself
dekleinewolf 3y ago
ASML is well known for it's exceptionally high pay compared to other Dutch tech companies.
- Moldoteck 3y ago
  well, looking at the other comment in this thread, looks like the pay is kinda smaller compared to say Spoti/Booking/similars and not comparable with big tech

I'm not sure if I understand your question correctly, but if you mean the pay compared to US tech companies active in NL then I would say it depends very much on your specialization. Engineer: 40k and up, team lead: 70k and up, project manager: 90k and up. I don't have much data on other roles but the 'and up' is the big factor, depends on seniority and specific skills. What really strikes me is that an extremely high fraction of the people that work there speak highly of their employer. I'm sure Google or FB would pay more, especially if you're prepared to move the USA. Other 'big companies in NL' can pay crap or good depending very much on the company, the field they are active in and the kind of job you are looking for so that's a bit too generic to do something with. HTH.

ThalesX 3y ago
> Engineer: 40k and up [...] I'm sure Google or FB would pay more There's body shops in Eastern Europe that pay more for junior frontend developers...
- jacquesm 3y ago
  The 'and up' bit is relevant. I know some people there that do large multiples of that figure.
- yourusername 3y ago
  Minimum wage in the Netherlands is about 26k a year so i sure hope it skews to "and up", you can make 40k at a helpdesk resetting people's passwords.
- amelius 3y ago
  Primary school teachers make 40k to 72k in the Netherlands. It doesn't make sense to be a software engineer in that country, unless you prefer looking at a screen all day over working with people.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Whoa I'm a senior enterprise it architect in Spain and I only make 60k lol. The Netherlands standard of living has really accelerated since I left there
poisonborz 3y ago
That's truly sad if true and up to date. Your top of 70k for a staff engineer is a common senior salary at any software company in DACH area (working on totally boring tech like Salesforce or SAP). If that's for an industry as as unique as chip production, something is very off.
- vidarh 3y ago
  Where did you read top of 70k? He stated 70k and up for a team lead, not a staff engineer. 70k is the bottom for that role. Given the starting point is that for 'just' a team lead, presumably a staff engineer would start much higher, if they have that role. I agree it's low given even a team lead role, but it depends on how many are on the low end of their pay scale.
EtienneK 3y ago
Those salaries seem quite low compared to the Randstad. If these are true, then the answer is "Yes"...
- dekleinewolf 3y ago
  Can you name me 3 tech companies in the Randstad that aren't consultancy that pay more than that? I don't think these numbers are exceptionally high but they're not low either. Source: Former SWE, current PM in the Randstad.
  - EtienneK 3y ago
    https://techpays.eu/europe/netherlands https://techpays.eu/europe/netherlands
  - yread 3y ago
    Amsterdam's crypto fintech startups buy the souls of juniors for 73K. Juniors!
  - apexalpha 3y ago
    I work for the largest ISP (KPN) and started at €43k for my traineeship about 6 years ago. I'm now at €80k. €40k is way too low, way way too low. People starting out in regular jobs in healthcare or education without too much education already make €45k. €45k is 'modaal' in 2024, the modal salary for the entire country. I think your numbers are about 10 years behind reality.
  - seper8 3y ago
    Booking Microsoft Google Amazon Flow Optiver Messagebird Etc etc etc
Moldoteck 3y ago
I meant not just US comps but Spotify/Booking/etc... Was asking because was reading some comments in the past that the pay is not that competitive
- jacquesm 3y ago
  Booking vs ASML? ASML any day. Even though Booking.com is nearby. I don't think what Booking.com does is remotely interesting whereas ASML is driving forward the whole of the semiconductor industry. That's a very easy choice. If it is just about pay then they are roughly comparable depending on your specialty, though Booking has less technical debt.
  - Moldoteck 3y ago
    I understand the 'interestigness' but was asking particularly about the pay, because I've heard asml isn't exactly among the top payers, should research levels.fyi I guess to see for myself

dekleinewolf 3y ago

ASML is well known for it's exceptionally high pay compared to other Dutch tech companies.

Moldoteck 3y ago
well, looking at the other comment in this thread, looks like the pay is kinda smaller compared to say Spoti/Booking/similars and not comparable with big tech