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Many CEOs are regular people who happen to be overtly charismatic to a fault. It just so happens that overtly charismatic people tend to be rewarded greatly by

Many CEOs are regular people who happen to be overtly charismatic to a fault. It just so happens that overtly charismatic people tend to be rewarded greatly by our social structures These CEOs aren't doing anything different in these situations - they're being themselves and doing what they did to get their position. Other people generally don't call them out on their BS because it's an uphill battle fighting overtly charismatic people, and it's much easier to accept their flaws for the benefit of riding their coattails to the top This is why they can't differentiate between upsides/downsides - people let them get away with things that other people can't, and to them it is all the same

mvdtnz 3y ago
I've never heard of Garry Tan before just now, but he didn't strike me as "overtly charismatic" in the linked article. He struck me as incredibly unhinged and unlikeable.
- trust_bt_verify 3y ago
  Those are not mutually exclusive in my experience.
- krapp 3y ago
  "unhinged and unlikeable" are charismatic traits nowadays. Those are exactly the personality aspects people believe are necessary and find attractive in truly innovative leaders, like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk. They read as hard-nosed sincerity and truth, no bullshit. The unreasonable man to which the world must yield. Hell, we recently elected a President almost entirely because he was the biggest asshole in the room.
  - shiroiuma 3y ago
    >Hell, we recently elected a President almost entirely because he was the biggest asshole in the room. Speak for yourself. This seems to be mostly an American problem.
    - fragmede 3y ago
      The rise of right wing parties all over the world suggest it's not a uniquely American problem, unfortunately.
      - shiroiuma 3y ago
        While I might disagree with the political opinions of those right wing parties, I've never seen any of them show complete incompetence and stupidity to the level of suggesting that people inject themselves with bleach to cure a virus.
        doubled112 3y ago
        Chlorination of the gene pool in the most literal of senses.
        happymellon 3y ago
        While he never suggested injecting bleach, may I introduce you someone incompetent, and unable to keep his mouth shut before blurting out racist nonsense. Boris Johnson.
        coding123 3y ago
        That is an actual lie
        yencabulator 3y ago
        The quote is > Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me. I guess if you want to argue about the true meaning of "something like that" or "to use medical doctors with" injecting disinfectant.
  - graemep 3y ago
    > "unhinged and unlikeable" are charismatic traits nowadays. Nowadays? It goes back millennia.
  - phone8675309 3y ago
    > Those are exactly the personality aspects people believe are necessary and find attractive in truly innovative leaders, like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk. Nothing says innovative leader like taking something a bunch of other people were already doing and doing it the same with added sociopathy on top.
KaiserPro 3y ago
> Many CEOs are regular people Agreed > who happen to be overtly charismatic to a fault. Not so much. > they're being themselves and doing what they did to get their position. yes, there is a way of talking in industry that allows people to rise through the ranks. Its very rare that you get to the top by being an odious prick all the time. However, people on the inside don't tend call out CEOs, because they need something from them. If you are frank with your CEO and they don't like it, you're out on your arse, to be replaced by a yes man. (not always, but its surprisingly common) It is very easy to become a CEO as a normal person, only to develop into an horrid shit later.
- operatingthetan 3y ago
  >Not so much. Could probably fix that quote by adding "believe they are." >who happen to believe they are overtly charismatic to a fault.
rsanek 3y ago
I might be convinced that founders tend to be charismatic (they convinced a bunch of people to build their dream when it was just a dream, after all), but your run-of-the-mill CEO certainly isn't.
crote 3y ago
> Many CEOs are regular people who happen to be overtly charismatic to a fault. It's quite common for them to appear overtly charismatic at first glance. Narcissism and psychopathy are extremely common at that level. It's why you should always be weary of CEOs who seem a little bit too happy to have a very high-profile public presence.
mgh2 3y ago
Money and fame corrupts, alcohol disinhibits that corruption.
- berniedurfee 3y ago
  Corruption can lead to money and fame.

mvdtnz 3y ago

I've never heard of Garry Tan before just now, but he didn't strike me as "overtly charismatic" in the linked article. He struck me as incredibly unhinged and unlikeable.

trust_bt_verify 3y ago
Those are not mutually exclusive in my experience.
krapp 3y ago
"unhinged and unlikeable" are charismatic traits nowadays. Those are exactly the personality aspects people believe are necessary and find attractive in truly innovative leaders, like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk. They read as hard-nosed sincerity and truth, no bullshit. The unreasonable man to which the world must yield. Hell, we recently elected a President almost entirely because he was the biggest asshole in the room.
- shiroiuma 3y ago
  >Hell, we recently elected a President almost entirely because he was the biggest asshole in the room. Speak for yourself. This seems to be mostly an American problem.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    The rise of right wing parties all over the world suggest it's not a uniquely American problem, unfortunately.
    - shiroiuma 3y ago
      While I might disagree with the political opinions of those right wing parties, I've never seen any of them show complete incompetence and stupidity to the level of suggesting that people inject themselves with bleach to cure a virus.
      - doubled112 3y ago
        Chlorination of the gene pool in the most literal of senses.
      - happymellon 3y ago
        While he never suggested injecting bleach, may I introduce you someone incompetent, and unable to keep his mouth shut before blurting out racist nonsense. Boris Johnson.
      - coding123 3y ago
        That is an actual lie
        yencabulator 3y ago
        The quote is > Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you're going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me. I guess if you want to argue about the true meaning of "something like that" or "to use medical doctors with" injecting disinfectant.
- graemep 3y ago
  > "unhinged and unlikeable" are charismatic traits nowadays. Nowadays? It goes back millennia.
- phone8675309 3y ago
  > Those are exactly the personality aspects people believe are necessary and find attractive in truly innovative leaders, like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk. Nothing says innovative leader like taking something a bunch of other people were already doing and doing it the same with added sociopathy on top.

KaiserPro 3y ago

> Many CEOs are regular people Agreed > who happen to be overtly charismatic to a fault. Not so much. > they're being themselves and doing what they did to get their position. yes, there is a way of talking in industry that allows people to rise through the ranks. Its very rare that you get to the top by being an odious prick all the time. However, people on the inside don't tend call out CEOs, because they need something from them. If you are frank with your CEO and they don't like it, you're out on your arse, to be replaced by a yes man. (not always, but its surprisingly common) It is very easy to become a CEO as a normal person, only to develop into an horrid shit later.

operatingthetan 3y ago
>Not so much. Could probably fix that quote by adding "believe they are." >who happen to believe they are overtly charismatic to a fault.

rsanek 3y ago

I might be convinced that founders tend to be charismatic (they convinced a bunch of people to build their dream when it was just a dream, after all), but your run-of-the-mill CEO certainly isn't.

crote 3y ago

> Many CEOs are regular people who happen to be overtly charismatic to a fault. It's quite common for them to appear overtly charismatic at first glance. Narcissism and psychopathy are extremely common at that level. It's why you should always be weary of CEOs who seem a little bit too happy to have a very high-profile public presence.

mgh2 3y ago

Money and fame corrupts, alcohol disinhibits that corruption.

berniedurfee 3y ago
Corruption can lead to money and fame.