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You are correct according to this tweet [0]. That may become inaccessible as Nitter dies, but the text is: > Working on an endless crafting game with llama 2

You are correct according to this tweet [0]. That may become inaccessible as Nitter dies, but the text is: > Working on an endless crafting game with llama 2 along with a video of this game. [0] https://nitter.cz/nealagarwal/status/1747284257582506102#m https://nitter.cz/nealagarwal/status/1747284257582506102#m

samstave 3y ago
Neat. Campfire+sushi took about 10 seconds before it gave up and did not combine them.
- starphobia 3y ago
  Campfire + Sushi = Fish
- Aachen 3y ago
  There's tons of combinations that take forever and nothing ends up happening. That's how I got around to the comment thread (clean+satan is why I'm here): I'm waiting for the latest combination to time out
  - araes 3y ago
    Similar. Snowmobile Farm and Sandbox Farm both appear to timeout with no response. However, that said, the idea itself is a neat idea, and could quite easily be turned into game ideas somewhere.
  - beacon294 3y ago
    They seem to be asynchronous, e.g. you can actually combine several pairs at the same time.
- jarboot 3y ago
  The request looks like "https://neal.fun/api/infinite-craft/pair?first=Phoenix&second=Seeds https://neal.fun/api/infinite-craft/pair?first=Phoenix&secon..." so it's probably typically caching the combination of phoenix+seeds but if there is no cache entry it would use llama to make up something. If there's a lot of attention on the site the llm service might be down or overloaded. And given the exponential/factoral (?) amount of combinations this may be reached surprisingly quickly. Just a guess. As an aside, the game is technically interesting, being a really simple example of using llm generation for game mechanics. But it is not engaging at all and feels nonsensical to me, especially when compared to little alchemy https://littlealchemy2.com/ https://littlealchemy2.com/. I'm not trying to be negative and this isn't a dig on creativity of the wonderful Neal but more points to the immaturity of llms applied to games, maybe to my overexposure to chatgpt, and maybe a prediction that human touch will always be required to make something entertaining. I'm curious how llms will fit into an engaging game experience in the future.
  - hombre_fatal 3y ago
    > But it is not engaging at all and feels nonsensical to me, especially when compared to little alchemy https://littlealchemy2.com/ https://littlealchemy2.com/. On the other hand, Little Alchemy doesn't have answers to the most basic combinations. Air + Earth = Dust, but Dust doesn't combine with Water. Earth + Water = Mud, but Mud doesn't combine with Air. Earth + Earth = Land, but Land doesn't combine with Fire. It may be more sensical since it limits combinations to 0.01% of what's possible, but I don't think that makes it more interesting.
  - SirMaster 3y ago
    >As an aside, the game is technically interesting, being a really simple example of using llm generation for game mechanics. But it is not engaging at all and feels nonsensical to me You just gotta make a game out of it. For example challenge yourself to try to craft "pizza". Can even try to do it in as least number of crafts as possible. Point is, just crafting random things to see what it spits out is OK, but trying to use your own logic to combine things to get to an arbitrary solution you come up with is much more engaging, at least to me. Challenge your friends to craft some specific "thing". Think of something you might think could be hard to craft to, and ask them to do the same and see who can get there first, or in the fewest steps.
    - jandrese 3y ago
      That's a fairly big challenge since the game gets less coherent the longer it goes on. The early matches generally make sense, but after about 3 levels you start getting loops, and after 5 levels you start getting nonsense or outright failures from queries. If you figure each of the things is an input parameter to a LLM this makes a lot of sense. They tend to have short memories and struggle with higher level introspection. Great for demos, but fraught with problems when using them to do real work.
      - SirMaster 3y ago
        Hmm, I’m not finding it to be too big of a challenge. It’s a bit challenging yeah, but me and my friends are challenging each other to get to words and we can usually find a way to make it. Things like “Godzilla”, “Universe”, “Vampire”, “Optimus Prime”, “Vodka”, etc are just some examples we did. I don’t seem to be having problems going dozens of levels deep without loops and not running into many query failures. Results that are deep are still making some logical combinational sense to me at least. Some words we haven’t been able to make, but that doesn’t mean it’s not possible. It just means we need to get more creative and sometimes think outside the box. There are so many ways you can approach getting to a certain result in my experience so far. Doing this has been fun and challenging so far for me and my friends FWIW.
andrei 3y ago
just link to the real thing :) [0] [0]: https://twitter.com/nealagarwal/status/1747284257582506102 https://twitter.com/nealagarwal/status/1747284257582506102
- Aachen 3y ago
  Such that it's already dead?
madeofpalk 3y ago
Ahh, neat application of it. Explains the somewhat dubious combinations I was seeing.
- hinkley 3y ago
  Forest + fire = smoke Mud + water = swamp Swamp + plant = Venus Flytrap Okay, okay. Venus Flytrap + Smoke = smoke detector <confused smile meme>
  - starphobia 3y ago
    [flagged]
  - Grimm_Reaper 3y ago
    how do you get an ICBM? (Inter-Continental-Ballistic-Missile)
  - Night_Thastus 3y ago
    Tree + Water = river was also pretty baffling. Unfortunate. I can see the appeal of using an LLM for this but the results are pretty mediocre.
    - ProllyInfamous 3y ago
      Tree + Water = River This is a great result, a branching of water/wood.
      - cushpush 3y ago
        low-key genius or high-key misunderstood
        teaearlgraycold 3y ago
        LLMs are a great way to prompt human ingenuity in mental gymnastics
WaxProlix 3y ago
Off topic, why is nitter dying? I've noticed the main instance's SSL cert is down for a bit now, and other instances are pretty rate limited. Did something happen/change?
- burkaman 3y ago
  All (non-paid) Twitter accounts are now rate-limited, which makes a shared Nitter instance untenable. It's probably still possible to host a personal instance for yourself, although they might ban your account for it. https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/983#issuecomment-1913362376 https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/983#issuecomment-191...
- password4321 3y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39161194 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39161194
dhc02 3y ago
Might be worth using farside for the link, which I found out about today on HN. https://farside.link/https://twitter.com/nealagarwal/status/1747284257582506102 https://farside.link/https://twitter.com/nealagarwal/status/...
- ycombinatrix 3y ago
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samstave 3y ago

Neat. Campfire+sushi took about 10 seconds before it gave up and did not combine them.

starphobia 3y ago
Campfire + Sushi = Fish
Aachen 3y ago
There's tons of combinations that take forever and nothing ends up happening. That's how I got around to the comment thread (clean+satan is why I'm here): I'm waiting for the latest combination to time out
- araes 3y ago
  Similar. Snowmobile Farm and Sandbox Farm both appear to timeout with no response. However, that said, the idea itself is a neat idea, and could quite easily be turned into game ideas somewhere.
- beacon294 3y ago
  They seem to be asynchronous, e.g. you can actually combine several pairs at the same time.
jarboot 3y ago
The request looks like "https://neal.fun/api/infinite-craft/pair?first=Phoenix&second=Seeds https://neal.fun/api/infinite-craft/pair?first=Phoenix&secon..." so it's probably typically caching the combination of phoenix+seeds but if there is no cache entry it would use llama to make up something. If there's a lot of attention on the site the llm service might be down or overloaded. And given the exponential/factoral (?) amount of combinations this may be reached surprisingly quickly. Just a guess. As an aside, the game is technically interesting, being a really simple example of using llm generation for game mechanics. But it is not engaging at all and feels nonsensical to me, especially when compared to little alchemy https://littlealchemy2.com/ https://littlealchemy2.com/. I'm not trying to be negative and this isn't a dig on creativity of the wonderful Neal but more points to the immaturity of llms applied to games, maybe to my overexposure to chatgpt, and maybe a prediction that human touch will always be required to make something entertaining. I'm curious how llms will fit into an engaging game experience in the future.
- hombre_fatal 3y ago
  > But it is not engaging at all and feels nonsensical to me, especially when compared to little alchemy https://littlealchemy2.com/ https://littlealchemy2.com/. On the other hand, Little Alchemy doesn't have answers to the most basic combinations. Air + Earth = Dust, but Dust doesn't combine with Water. Earth + Water = Mud, but Mud doesn't combine with Air. Earth + Earth = Land, but Land doesn't combine with Fire. It may be more sensical since it limits combinations to 0.01% of what's possible, but I don't think that makes it more interesting.
- SirMaster 3y ago
  >As an aside, the game is technically interesting, being a really simple example of using llm generation for game mechanics. But it is not engaging at all and feels nonsensical to me You just gotta make a game out of it. For example challenge yourself to try to craft "pizza". Can even try to do it in as least number of crafts as possible. Point is, just crafting random things to see what it spits out is OK, but trying to use your own logic to combine things to get to an arbitrary solution you come up with is much more engaging, at least to me. Challenge your friends to craft some specific "thing". Think of something you might think could be hard to craft to, and ask them to do the same and see who can get there first, or in the fewest steps.
  - jandrese 3y ago
    That's a fairly big challenge since the game gets less coherent the longer it goes on. The early matches generally make sense, but after about 3 levels you start getting loops, and after 5 levels you start getting nonsense or outright failures from queries. If you figure each of the things is an input parameter to a LLM this makes a lot of sense. They tend to have short memories and struggle with higher level introspection. Great for demos, but fraught with problems when using them to do real work.
    - SirMaster 3y ago
      Hmm, I’m not finding it to be too big of a challenge. It’s a bit challenging yeah, but me and my friends are challenging each other to get to words and we can usually find a way to make it. Things like “Godzilla”, “Universe”, “Vampire”, “Optimus Prime”, “Vodka”, etc are just some examples we did. I don’t seem to be having problems going dozens of levels deep without loops and not running into many query failures. Results that are deep are still making some logical combinational sense to me at least. Some words we haven’t been able to make, but that doesn’t mean it’s not possible. It just means we need to get more creative and sometimes think outside the box. There are so many ways you can approach getting to a certain result in my experience so far. Doing this has been fun and challenging so far for me and my friends FWIW.

andrei 3y ago

just link to the real thing :) [0] [0]: https://twitter.com/nealagarwal/status/1747284257582506102 https://twitter.com/nealagarwal/status/1747284257582506102

Aachen 3y ago
Such that it's already dead?

madeofpalk 3y ago

Ahh, neat application of it. Explains the somewhat dubious combinations I was seeing.

hinkley 3y ago
Forest + fire = smoke Mud + water = swamp Swamp + plant = Venus Flytrap Okay, okay. Venus Flytrap + Smoke = smoke detector <confused smile meme>
- starphobia 3y ago
  [flagged]
- Grimm_Reaper 3y ago
  how do you get an ICBM? (Inter-Continental-Ballistic-Missile)
- Night_Thastus 3y ago
  Tree + Water = river was also pretty baffling. Unfortunate. I can see the appeal of using an LLM for this but the results are pretty mediocre.
  - ProllyInfamous 3y ago
    Tree + Water = River This is a great result, a branching of water/wood.
    - cushpush 3y ago
      low-key genius or high-key misunderstood
      - teaearlgraycold 3y ago
        LLMs are a great way to prompt human ingenuity in mental gymnastics

WaxProlix 3y ago

Off topic, why is nitter dying? I've noticed the main instance's SSL cert is down for a bit now, and other instances are pretty rate limited. Did something happen/change?

burkaman 3y ago
All (non-paid) Twitter accounts are now rate-limited, which makes a shared Nitter instance untenable. It's probably still possible to host a personal instance for yourself, although they might ban your account for it. https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/983#issuecomment-1913362376 https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/983#issuecomment-191...
password4321 3y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39161194 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39161194

dhc02 3y ago

Might be worth using farside for the link, which I found out about today on HN. https://farside.link/https://twitter.com/nealagarwal/status/1747284257582506102 https://farside.link/https://twitter.com/nealagarwal/status/...

ycombinatrix 3y ago
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