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I'm pretty sure the reason there was the free internet access being give to Ukraine was conditional on it being used for defence only and not offence. Seems pre

by zo1 3y ago

I'm pretty sure the reason there was the free internet access being give to Ukraine was conditional on it being used for defence only and not offence. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

londons_explore 3y ago
the defence/offence line is pretty blurred... What with 99+% of the kills by the US Department of Defence being on other peoples soil...
- cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
  That really says more about America than it does the blurred lines between offence and defence :)
- lupusreal 3y ago
  It used to be called the Department of War. The "Department of Defense" name came about in 1949 for PR reasons. Also, "PR" is an American propaganda term which means "propaganda".
  - mlazos 3y ago
    Isn’t it public relations?
    - lupusreal 3y ago
      PR expands to public relations, which is a euphemism for propaganda. Propaganda was rebranded in America after WW2 because people associated the term with Nazis. https://theconversation.com/the-manipulation-of-the-american-mind-edward-bernays-and-the-birth-of-public-relations-44393 https://theconversation.com/the-manipulation-of-the-american...
Analemma_ 3y ago
What is the difference between defense and offense when you are fighting against an invading army occupying ~20% of your country? Is it "offense" if you attempt to push them out?
- zo1 3y ago
  It's offence when you leave your border on go over into another country. But either way, doesn't matter what I think, it's what Elon Musk thinks as he was giving them the starlink access for free.
  - iamdelirium 3y ago
    The international consensus is that Crimea is Ukrainian territory. Also, Musk wasn't giving it to them for free. The US was paying for it.
    - dzhiurgis 3y ago
      Consensus doesn’t change the fact the enemy has occupied that territory. Isn’t so hard to grok why you Musk wouldn’t open internet on there, esp without explicit DOD authorization.
      - victorbjorklund 3y ago
        The enemy is ALWAYS occupying any territory that they are on. It isnt like they are on vaccation. So with that logic it couldnt be used for any defence purposes that kills the invaders.
        inemesitaffia 3y ago
        It's no different from the limits on use of HIMARS in UKr
        victorbjorklund 3y ago
ranger207 3y ago
Offensive operations are integral to achieving military strategy, including defenses. Passively defending has always been used to create conditions favorable to resuming offensive operations because only offensive operations get things done. Militarily, "defensive operations" include attacking the enemy
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by zo1 3y ago

I'm pretty sure the reason there was the free internet access being give to Ukraine was conditional on it being used for defence only and not offence. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

londons_explore 3y ago

the defence/offence line is pretty blurred... What with 99+% of the kills by the US Department of Defence being on other peoples soil...

cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
That really says more about America than it does the blurred lines between offence and defence :)
lupusreal 3y ago
It used to be called the Department of War. The "Department of Defense" name came about in 1949 for PR reasons. Also, "PR" is an American propaganda term which means "propaganda".
- mlazos 3y ago
  Isn’t it public relations?
  - lupusreal 3y ago
    PR expands to public relations, which is a euphemism for propaganda. Propaganda was rebranded in America after WW2 because people associated the term with Nazis. https://theconversation.com/the-manipulation-of-the-american-mind-edward-bernays-and-the-birth-of-public-relations-44393 https://theconversation.com/the-manipulation-of-the-american...

Analemma_ 3y ago

What is the difference between defense and offense when you are fighting against an invading army occupying ~20% of your country? Is it "offense" if you attempt to push them out?

zo1 3y ago
It's offence when you leave your border on go over into another country. But either way, doesn't matter what I think, it's what Elon Musk thinks as he was giving them the starlink access for free.
- iamdelirium 3y ago
  The international consensus is that Crimea is Ukrainian territory. Also, Musk wasn't giving it to them for free. The US was paying for it.
  - dzhiurgis 3y ago
    Consensus doesn’t change the fact the enemy has occupied that territory. Isn’t so hard to grok why you Musk wouldn’t open internet on there, esp without explicit DOD authorization.
    - victorbjorklund 3y ago
      The enemy is ALWAYS occupying any territory that they are on. It isnt like they are on vaccation. So with that logic it couldnt be used for any defence purposes that kills the invaders.
      - inemesitaffia 3y ago
        It's no different from the limits on use of HIMARS in UKr
        victorbjorklund 3y ago

ranger207 3y ago

Offensive operations are integral to achieving military strategy, including defenses. Passively defending has always been used to create conditions favorable to resuming offensive operations because only offensive operations get things done. Militarily, "defensive operations" include attacking the enemy

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