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A really big looming question is what will happen to all the .tv domains, which provide 95% of Tuvalu's GDP (similar to how .ai is for Anguilla). The island is

A really big looming question is what will happen to all the .tv domains, which provide 95% of Tuvalu's GDP (similar to how .ai is for Anguilla). The island is getting warn away by rougher seas and the ocean level is rising thanks to climate change. What happens when the island no longer exists? Does the country still exist? Should the .tv domain still exist? When Yugoslavia broke up they shut down its TLD, but this would be .... different?

broodbucket 3y ago
.su still exists. According to this article I found, Tuvaluans are trying to maintain their statehood and maritime rights once they no longer have land. It's uncharted territory for the UN but it strikes me as pretty likely (plus it's a bad look to not throw a bone to a country that the rest of the world played a part in destroying). https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/11/tuvalu-seeks-to-retain-statehood-if-it-sinks-completely-as-sea-levels-rise https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/11/tuvalu-seeks-t... My prediction is the TLD stays and revenues go to the entity that is the Tuvaluan government (probably based in Australia at that point)
- phire 3y ago
  Tuvalu is also working on a land reclamation project that is designed to keep at least some land above the projected storm surges beyond the year 2100.
  - jasomill 3y ago
    They've also amended their constitution in an attempt to maintain statehood even if rising sea levels do overtake the island: https://www.economist.com/asia/2023/10/12/tuvalu-plans-for-its-own-disappearance https://www.economist.com/asia/2023/10/12/tuvalu-plans-for-i... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Tuvalu#The_climate_crisis_and_recognition_of_Tuvalu’s_statehood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Tuvalu#The_cli...
reactordev 3y ago
I’m sure since it would no longer be a country TLD, you could easily say it’s a media TLD. Crisis averted. However, registrar responsibilities would be elsewhere. Google perhaps. Or maybe someone else. I’m sure that .tv is so ubiquitous that it falls under several categories.
- jedberg 3y ago
  That would be a possible solution but they would have to agree to change the rules for TLDs or make an exception, because right now the rules are very clear that only countries can have two letter TLDs.
  - reactordev 3y ago
    Yes, and like previous countries that are no more, the TLDs still exist. We just need some international entity to keep processing the registrations.
  - lutoma 3y ago
    * and the EU, and Antarctica (.aq)
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  - walthamstow 3y ago
    Also `.gb`, which is an island. Then you get into British Overseas Territories (like Anguilla!) and French Overseas Departments (e.g. Reunion). Are they countries? Sort of, but not really? Even within the UK it's tricky. Is Scotland a country? I don't think so, but a lot of Scots do.
kyleyeats 3y ago
This is a myth. They did a study last decade that showed Tuvalu is actually gaining landmass. [0] https://phys.org/news/2018-02-pacific-nation-bigger.html https://phys.org/news/2018-02-pacific-nation-bigger.html
- primitivesuave 3y ago
  The PM at the time took contention to the publication of that article, saying that there was no increase in actual habitable land. https://web.archive.org/web/20190326140508/https://kmt.news/2018/03/19/tuvalu-pm-refutes-aut-research/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190326140508/https://kmt.news/...
  - radicalriddler 3y ago
    Yup. The study suggests that it's just the peaks getting higher, which means that even the peaks will become harder to build on as they become steeper.
- radicalriddler 3y ago
  Useful inhabitable landmass is the question I guess? If it's just the peaks of the island getting higher, then that land becomes increasingly hard to build on.
cheeze 3y ago
> which provide 95% of Tuvalu's GDP Source? I've never seen this number before. I've seen 8.4% of government revenue, and ~1/12 of GNI but never 95% of GDP...
- isolli 3y ago
  For what it's worth, I have found this source [0]: "The deal with a US firm called DotTV effectively trebled Tuvalu's national income." [0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2000/sep/10/business.theobserver https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2000/sep/10/business....
Astraco 3y ago
Soviet Union (.su) it's still around. Even if Tuvalu disappears (it won't) someone else would take care of the TLD.
- rimliu 3y ago
  В связи с геополитическими изменениями домен pos.su переименован в pos.ru Kind of a stranger fart joke, what it says is that because of the geopolitical changes the domains will be renamed. But the first one can be read as "I'll piss" and the second one "I'll poop".
verve_rat 3y ago
There is at least one landless sovereign entity at the moment[1], but they don't have a ccTLD as far as I know. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Military_Order_of_Malta https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Military_Order_of_...
Beijinger 3y ago
Well, fuck.yu became fuck.me
pyuser583 3y ago
Tuvalu is getting larger, not smaller. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02954-1 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02954-1

broodbucket 3y ago

.su still exists. According to this article I found, Tuvaluans are trying to maintain their statehood and maritime rights once they no longer have land. It's uncharted territory for the UN but it strikes me as pretty likely (plus it's a bad look to not throw a bone to a country that the rest of the world played a part in destroying). https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/11/tuvalu-seeks-to-retain-statehood-if-it-sinks-completely-as-sea-levels-rise https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/11/tuvalu-seeks-t... My prediction is the TLD stays and revenues go to the entity that is the Tuvaluan government (probably based in Australia at that point)

phire 3y ago
Tuvalu is also working on a land reclamation project that is designed to keep at least some land above the projected storm surges beyond the year 2100.
- jasomill 3y ago
  They've also amended their constitution in an attempt to maintain statehood even if rising sea levels do overtake the island: https://www.economist.com/asia/2023/10/12/tuvalu-plans-for-its-own-disappearance https://www.economist.com/asia/2023/10/12/tuvalu-plans-for-i... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Tuvalu#The_climate_crisis_and_recognition_of_Tuvalu’s_statehood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Tuvalu#The_cli...

reactordev 3y ago

I’m sure since it would no longer be a country TLD, you could easily say it’s a media TLD. Crisis averted. However, registrar responsibilities would be elsewhere. Google perhaps. Or maybe someone else. I’m sure that .tv is so ubiquitous that it falls under several categories.

jedberg 3y ago
That would be a possible solution but they would have to agree to change the rules for TLDs or make an exception, because right now the rules are very clear that only countries can have two letter TLDs.
- reactordev 3y ago
  Yes, and like previous countries that are no more, the TLDs still exist. We just need some international entity to keep processing the registrations.
- lutoma 3y ago
  * and the EU, and Antarctica (.aq)
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- walthamstow 3y ago
  Also `.gb`, which is an island. Then you get into British Overseas Territories (like Anguilla!) and French Overseas Departments (e.g. Reunion). Are they countries? Sort of, but not really? Even within the UK it's tricky. Is Scotland a country? I don't think so, but a lot of Scots do.

kyleyeats 3y ago

This is a myth. They did a study last decade that showed Tuvalu is actually gaining landmass. [0] https://phys.org/news/2018-02-pacific-nation-bigger.html https://phys.org/news/2018-02-pacific-nation-bigger.html

primitivesuave 3y ago
The PM at the time took contention to the publication of that article, saying that there was no increase in actual habitable land. https://web.archive.org/web/20190326140508/https://kmt.news/2018/03/19/tuvalu-pm-refutes-aut-research/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190326140508/https://kmt.news/...
- radicalriddler 3y ago
  Yup. The study suggests that it's just the peaks getting higher, which means that even the peaks will become harder to build on as they become steeper.
radicalriddler 3y ago
Useful inhabitable landmass is the question I guess? If it's just the peaks of the island getting higher, then that land becomes increasingly hard to build on.

cheeze 3y ago

> which provide 95% of Tuvalu's GDP Source? I've never seen this number before. I've seen 8.4% of government revenue, and ~1/12 of GNI but never 95% of GDP...

isolli 3y ago
For what it's worth, I have found this source [0]: "The deal with a US firm called DotTV effectively trebled Tuvalu's national income." [0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2000/sep/10/business.theobserver https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2000/sep/10/business....

Astraco 3y ago

Soviet Union (.su) it's still around. Even if Tuvalu disappears (it won't) someone else would take care of the TLD.

rimliu 3y ago
В связи с геополитическими изменениями домен pos.su переименован в pos.ru Kind of a stranger fart joke, what it says is that because of the geopolitical changes the domains will be renamed. But the first one can be read as "I'll piss" and the second one "I'll poop".

verve_rat 3y ago

There is at least one landless sovereign entity at the moment[1], but they don't have a ccTLD as far as I know. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Military_Order_of_Malta https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Military_Order_of_...

Beijinger 3y ago

Well, fuck.yu became fuck.me

pyuser583 3y ago

Tuvalu is getting larger, not smaller. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02954-1 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02954-1