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These are real recalls btw, for a safety feature that kills you. (airbag frag grenades) I know some people have been conditioned that software rollbacks are re
by theultdev 3y ago
These are real recalls btw, for a safety feature that kills you. (airbag frag grenades)
I know some people have been conditioned that software rollbacks are recalls due to all the anti-Tesla articles.
- belter 3y agoIronically, those are more likely to kill you, than these airbags.
- theultdev 3y agoNot really, Teslas are quite safe and don't have the killer Takata airbags like the many other car brands. But yeah that facetiousness is why I said the statement above. It's really easy to lookup Tesla safety ratings so I won't get dragged into what you're trying to do.
- Night_Thastus 3y agoTbh, 24 deaths in all the years since 2003 is a pretty tiny number considering just how many of these airbags were used. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it's also pretty low rate-wise.
- theultdev 3y agoYes 24 people that had to die for no reason, but yeah it's low for the massive fuck up that this was. I don't really know what the point of that statement is though. Reads like part of a Boeing spokesman's speech.
- Night_Thastus 3y agoMy point is that the person who made the statement "those are more likely to kill you than these airbags" wasn't really all that off the mark. There's been more (~35) deaths due to Tesla issues (fires, self-driving, etc) in a few years than in the 2 decades this problem airbag has existed.
- theultdev 3y agoAre those 35 counting the people who were asleep, trying to kill themselves, etc? Because if they are from the same news outlets as reports the other Tesla crashes, those are not always due to Tesla issues, and it always comes out they weren't because they have data on everything. And other cars catch on fire in crashes and people burn to death in ICE cars. Fires are not exclusive to EVs. Shrapnel airbags on the other hand... Plus I've seen at least 5+ videos where the safety features in a Tesla reacted faster than the driver and saved them, do we count that as a negative death?
- Night_Thastus 3y ago>Plus I've seen at least 5+ videos where the safety features in a Tesla reacted faster than the driver and saved them, do we count that as a negative death? Safety features that exist in other cars too? A base-model Corolla has pedestrian detection and collision avoidance in it as well. And plenty of other manufacturers have similar systems.
- theultdev 3y agoI'm not talking about pedestrian detection, I'm talking about active avoidance of oncoming vehicles. But if the positives of any safety system don't count, then the negatives don't count against Tesla. Because all cars have safety systems that could kill or save you under that logic.
- tjoff 3y agohttps://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle-safety/takata-recall-spotlight https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle-safety/takata-recall-spotlight 2012-2016 Tesla Model S
- theultdev 3y agoI stand corrected. Glad they stopped using them.
- freejazz 3y agoRecalls are recalls because that's what the gov't is calling them, I do not understand this post at all.
- theultdev 3y agoWhat's not to understand? Physical recall. Killer airbag. Turn it in. It simply means, your car will not roll this feature back itself because it's not a software recall. Go turn it in. Turns out it's confusing to overload the term "recall", and downright dangerous when it comes to overloading safety terms. We're always going on about how misleading AutoPilot is as a term to the hypothetically confused consumer. But overloading recall isn't confusing? I cannot help that the government for some reason chose to overload this term.
- hot_gril 3y agoRecall is what the government called the autopilot thing, right? It's a legal term.
- theultdev 3y agoYes I'm pointing out the difference that their legal term overlooks because it's overloaded. Illegal alien is also a legal term that sometimes requires distinction.
- hot_gril 3y agoYou said anti-Tesla articles are conditioning people to think there were recalls. But there were in fact recalls, which Tesla responded to with OTA fixes.
- theultdev 3y agoI'm simply saying don't expect this to be rolled back in software. It's a PHYSICAL recall. Normally the articles cover that important detail up, so all you see is recall.