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I'm glad the article posts about visa sponsorship changes, as an immigrant to the US/EU this is the biggest falloff I've seen. Over the years I've seen relocati

I'm glad the article posts about visa sponsorship changes, as an immigrant to the US/EU this is the biggest falloff I've seen. Over the years I've seen relocation as a perk slide: 2013: Was flown to EU country for an interview, accepted, they handled the immigration paperwork (mostly) and helped me find a place and get settled. Plane trip was at my discretion. 2015: Immigrated to US with same company, they handled the visa and gave me help to find a place and get settled. Plane trip was at my discretion. 2018: Accepted new job in US, visa was handled however plane trip was 3am in the morning out of Gatwick. 2021: Accepted new job in US (after leaving the US for 3 years), visa was handled but I had to pay for my own plane trip. No help with finding apartments or any relocation expenses. 2022: Accepted new job in US at FAANG, work permit was handled however visa was not, all expenses to get the visa came out of my pocket (plane tickets, hotel accommodation, embassy appointment). No relocation help or expenses. 2023: Accepted new job in US, all work permit/visa issues came out of my pocket including the fee paid to the lawyers for handling the visa application. No relocation help or expenses. Not sure how much further this perk can slide.

elevatedastalt 3y ago
2028: Accepted new job in US. Work given by them. Salary paid by me to them for the privilege of having a job.
- lqet 3y ago
  But you try and tell the young people today that... they won′t believe ya!
- harveywi 3y ago
  Also known as going to graduate school.
- hatchoo 3y ago
  not directly related but strikes a similar chord, here in my country a lot of kids take up nursing so they can eventually get a job overseas. Once they graduate they need work experience before they can apply for jobs overseas so they work at local hospitals that give meager pay. Factoring in commute and meal expenses, they earn less than their living expenses. In a way, they are "paying" for this privilege of getting the experience necessary to move on and take a shot at a better life outside the country.
noitpmeder 3y ago
Maybe try sticking around at a company longer than 2 years.
- stavros 3y ago
  Looks like the first company was 6 years, unfortunately you can be either snarky or wrong :(
  - noitpmeder 3y ago
    Or both! ;)
- Supermancho 3y ago
  You're almost certainly losing out, in terms of salary progression. Climbing from 50k to 200k by swapping every 2 years is typical. It can be done before you're 50 at almost any skill level.
  - elevatedastalt 3y ago
    This "greedy algorithm" can have worse long-term results. If you want to grow, you need to stick around longer to get enough know-how and develop relations to actually achieve something big. If you are happy with being Google L5 equivalent permanently then yes it is a good strategy.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      The only thing I want to grow is my brokerage account. ymmv. You can be the best, hardest worker and still get tossed out when layoffs come (as Google has shown recently, among others [1]); you'll get a sad LinkedIn post opportunity tagging a bunch of colleagues about "your incredible journey together in the books" that folks will scroll past and move on to your next role. It is important to cultivate opportunities to have meaningful work, certainly, but freedom is more important (imho) than whatever slides you'll put together to communicate some corporate success story that'll be a line item on your resume/CV as soon as you're out the door competing with hundreds of other folks for a new role (if you don't have a network you keep hot). TLDR Skill and luck are orthogonal. No one is going to look out for you but you. [1] https://layoffs.fyi/ https://layoffs.fyi/ (>20 years in tech, been through both 2000 and 2008 financial events)
NanoYohaneTSU 3y ago
I hope the perk completely stops existing. The tides are very much turning against this perk because of the result.
sharadov 3y ago
Not sure what kind of visa you applied for but an employer is liable for all visa-related fees https://ogletree.com/insights-resources/blog-posts/u-s-employment-based-immigration-sponsorship-fees-who-is-required-to-pay/#:~:text=According%20to%20federal%20regulations%2C%20the,fees%20and%20costs%20of%20recruitment.&text=According%20to%20federal%20regulations%2C%20the%20employer%20is%20not%20responsible%20for,Immigrant%20Petition%20for%20Alien%20Workers https://ogletree.com/insights-resources/blog-posts/u-s-emplo....

elevatedastalt 3y ago

2028: Accepted new job in US. Work given by them. Salary paid by me to them for the privilege of having a job.

lqet 3y ago
But you try and tell the young people today that... they won′t believe ya!
harveywi 3y ago
Also known as going to graduate school.
hatchoo 3y ago
not directly related but strikes a similar chord, here in my country a lot of kids take up nursing so they can eventually get a job overseas. Once they graduate they need work experience before they can apply for jobs overseas so they work at local hospitals that give meager pay. Factoring in commute and meal expenses, they earn less than their living expenses. In a way, they are "paying" for this privilege of getting the experience necessary to move on and take a shot at a better life outside the country.

noitpmeder 3y ago

Maybe try sticking around at a company longer than 2 years.

stavros 3y ago
Looks like the first company was 6 years, unfortunately you can be either snarky or wrong :(
- noitpmeder 3y ago
  Or both! ;)
Supermancho 3y ago
You're almost certainly losing out, in terms of salary progression. Climbing from 50k to 200k by swapping every 2 years is typical. It can be done before you're 50 at almost any skill level.
- elevatedastalt 3y ago
  This "greedy algorithm" can have worse long-term results. If you want to grow, you need to stick around longer to get enough know-how and develop relations to actually achieve something big. If you are happy with being Google L5 equivalent permanently then yes it is a good strategy.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    The only thing I want to grow is my brokerage account. ymmv. You can be the best, hardest worker and still get tossed out when layoffs come (as Google has shown recently, among others [1]); you'll get a sad LinkedIn post opportunity tagging a bunch of colleagues about "your incredible journey together in the books" that folks will scroll past and move on to your next role. It is important to cultivate opportunities to have meaningful work, certainly, but freedom is more important (imho) than whatever slides you'll put together to communicate some corporate success story that'll be a line item on your resume/CV as soon as you're out the door competing with hundreds of other folks for a new role (if you don't have a network you keep hot). TLDR Skill and luck are orthogonal. No one is going to look out for you but you. [1] https://layoffs.fyi/ https://layoffs.fyi/ (>20 years in tech, been through both 2000 and 2008 financial events)

NanoYohaneTSU 3y ago

I hope the perk completely stops existing. The tides are very much turning against this perk because of the result.

sharadov 3y ago

Not sure what kind of visa you applied for but an employer is liable for all visa-related fees https://ogletree.com/insights-resources/blog-posts/u-s-employment-based-immigration-sponsorship-fees-who-is-required-to-pay/#:~:text=According%20to%20federal%20regulations%2C%20the,fees%20and%20costs%20of%20recruitment.&text=According%20to%20federal%20regulations%2C%20the%20employer%20is%20not%20responsible%20for,Immigrant%20Petition%20for%20Alien%20Workers https://ogletree.com/insights-resources/blog-posts/u-s-emplo....