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I could imagine that might have been why it came about originally but that line of thinking doesn't seem to justify the R&D spend alone. I'd imagine they have s

by mhh__ 3y ago

I could imagine that might have been why it came about originally but that line of thinking doesn't seem to justify the R&D spend alone. I'd imagine they have some belief in it being able to make new business of its own. If I'm not mistaken this is the first properly post-Steve product?

ketzo 3y ago
I think AirPods were post-Steve? And they were both widely mocked at launch and wildly successful.
- wharvle 3y ago
  Like so many Apple things, I thought AirPods were dumb until I got some (as a gift). I'd tried some Logitech wireless earbuds just a couple months before first trying AirPods. Those were dumb. God they sucked. I've avoided the Watch for that reason. The little conveniences of various Apple-thingies are the sort of stuff you can't un-experience, and then you're stuck buying the damn things forever.
  - hbn 3y ago
    I think about this frequently while using my AirPods. It's annoying that we're all becoming accustomed to spending anywhere from like $130 to $250 on in-ear headphones that aren't guaranteed a particularly long lifespan, to replace wired headphones that an acceptable quality pair can be had for like $15. But I'll be damned if the AirPods experience isn't far more convenient, and has me using them more than I ever did with wired headphones because they're so quick and easy to use. I can pop one in an ear and immediately I'm listening to a podcast while doing laundry. No cord tethering my head to my pocket, nothing to get snagged on a doorknob, it just works. When I pull one out of my ear it pauses, and resumes when I put it back in. When you only have one AirPod in, it knows and automatically converts the audio stream to mono so you still hear everything. Still would be nice to have the 3.5mm jack back, but I certainly haven't felt a desire to go back to wired headphones since I got AirPods.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    If it makes you feel any better, I think the watch is more of a "pickup or put down" device, especially if you do not usually use a watch. I sometimes wear it religiously, meaning all the time, and sometimes religiously, meaning only for an hour on Sundays and holy days ;).
  - jes5199 3y ago
    I got an Apple Watch in 2019, and I don't wear it anymore. It was just another thing that needed to get charged every day, and none of the apps are very useful, and most of them are buggy and poorly supported.
    - cozzyd 3y ago
      I'm surprised people put up with daily charging in a watch where sleep tracking is a core feature.
      - dpkonofa 3y ago
        Why is that surprising? I just charge mine while I’m getting ready in the morning and it last all day and does sleep tracking. My Ultra lasts multiple days on a single charge.
    - phatskat 3y ago
      Mine is used for pretty much only the following: - controlling Spotify - telling time - monitoring my health stuff - an easy to wear timer - getting filtered notifications of things I want to see without grabbing my phone to check - counting rows for knitting
ninkendo 3y ago
The Apple watch was 100% post-Steve, conception to delivery [0]. This is definitely the first post-Jony Ive product though. (Rumors are that Ive was against the idea of doing a headset from the start, so it happened either without him, or after he left, depending on when it started.) - [0] https://www.wired.com/2015/04/the-apple-watch/ https://www.wired.com/2015/04/the-apple-watch/ > Ive began dreaming about an Apple watch just after CEO Steve Jobs’ death in October 2011.
- Topfi 3y ago
  > This is definitely the first post-Jony Ive product though. Ironic considering, if there is a product whose design arguably should be driven by an obsession with reducing weight and thickness, the AVP is it.
- sherbondy 3y ago
  Nah, Ive is cited on a bunch of the patents for Vision Pro core technologies, including the first inventor listed on the EyeSight display patent, filed in 2018, 6 years ago: https://image-ppubs.uspto.gov/dirsearch-public/print/downloadPdf/11861255 https://image-ppubs.uspto.gov/dirsearch-public/print/downloa...
mcphage 3y ago
> that line of thinking doesn't seem to justify the R&D spend alone I'm sure they're also looking to use the technologies they develop for this in other products, too.
CharlesW 3y ago
> If I'm not mistaken this is the first properly post-Steve product? Jobs publicly bemoaned the lack of, and presumably thought a lot about, "headphones for video". I think it's a safe bet that he set the stage for Apple Vision (and probably sketched out a 50 year plan) with current Apple leaders before his death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO0OGmNDKVg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO0OGmNDKVg > "You know, the fundamental problem here is that headphones are a miraculous thing. You put on a pair of headphones, and you get the same experience you get with a great pair of speakers, right? > "There's no such thing as headphones for video, right? There's not something I can carry with me that I can put on, and it gives me the same experience I get when I'm watching my 50-inch plasma display at home."
- Topfi 3y ago
  Yeah, I honestly hadn't thought about those statements in quite a while. Thanks for bringing them back to mind. It makes me ponder whether they had a very rough, early prototype of an FPV display device at that time, and if so, what that looked like. The interviewer briefly mentions what was available at the time, which Steve calls "lousy", so it could also be that he was more fascinated by the inherent concept. As is often the case, I'd give a lot for companies such as Apple to be more open with their ancient prototypes once a new device gets launched. Sometimes brands, such as Microsoft[0] in the console field showcase iterative prototypes or even produce full-on documentaries of their history, but rarely for new device categories. I understand why that's not possible, but still, one can dream. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJYsA1jXf60 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJYsA1jXf60
  - rylittle 3y ago
    https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/15z92if/apple_won_a_patent_today_covering_their_original/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/15z92if/apple_won_a_...

by mhh__ 3y ago

ketzo 3y ago

I think AirPods were post-Steve? And they were both widely mocked at launch and wildly successful.

wharvle 3y ago
Like so many Apple things, I thought AirPods were dumb until I got some (as a gift). I'd tried some Logitech wireless earbuds just a couple months before first trying AirPods. Those were dumb. God they sucked. I've avoided the Watch for that reason. The little conveniences of various Apple-thingies are the sort of stuff you can't un-experience, and then you're stuck buying the damn things forever.
- hbn 3y ago
  I think about this frequently while using my AirPods. It's annoying that we're all becoming accustomed to spending anywhere from like $130 to $250 on in-ear headphones that aren't guaranteed a particularly long lifespan, to replace wired headphones that an acceptable quality pair can be had for like $15. But I'll be damned if the AirPods experience isn't far more convenient, and has me using them more than I ever did with wired headphones because they're so quick and easy to use. I can pop one in an ear and immediately I'm listening to a podcast while doing laundry. No cord tethering my head to my pocket, nothing to get snagged on a doorknob, it just works. When I pull one out of my ear it pauses, and resumes when I put it back in. When you only have one AirPod in, it knows and automatically converts the audio stream to mono so you still hear everything. Still would be nice to have the 3.5mm jack back, but I certainly haven't felt a desire to go back to wired headphones since I got AirPods.
- bombcar 3y ago
  If it makes you feel any better, I think the watch is more of a "pickup or put down" device, especially if you do not usually use a watch. I sometimes wear it religiously, meaning all the time, and sometimes religiously, meaning only for an hour on Sundays and holy days ;).
- jes5199 3y ago
  I got an Apple Watch in 2019, and I don't wear it anymore. It was just another thing that needed to get charged every day, and none of the apps are very useful, and most of them are buggy and poorly supported.
  - cozzyd 3y ago
    I'm surprised people put up with daily charging in a watch where sleep tracking is a core feature.
    - dpkonofa 3y ago
      Why is that surprising? I just charge mine while I’m getting ready in the morning and it last all day and does sleep tracking. My Ultra lasts multiple days on a single charge.
  - phatskat 3y ago
    Mine is used for pretty much only the following: - controlling Spotify - telling time - monitoring my health stuff - an easy to wear timer - getting filtered notifications of things I want to see without grabbing my phone to check - counting rows for knitting

ninkendo 3y ago

The Apple watch was 100% post-Steve, conception to delivery [0]. This is definitely the first post-Jony Ive product though. (Rumors are that Ive was against the idea of doing a headset from the start, so it happened either without him, or after he left, depending on when it started.) - [0] https://www.wired.com/2015/04/the-apple-watch/ https://www.wired.com/2015/04/the-apple-watch/ > Ive began dreaming about an Apple watch just after CEO Steve Jobs’ death in October 2011.

Topfi 3y ago
> This is definitely the first post-Jony Ive product though. Ironic considering, if there is a product whose design arguably should be driven by an obsession with reducing weight and thickness, the AVP is it.
sherbondy 3y ago
Nah, Ive is cited on a bunch of the patents for Vision Pro core technologies, including the first inventor listed on the EyeSight display patent, filed in 2018, 6 years ago: https://image-ppubs.uspto.gov/dirsearch-public/print/downloadPdf/11861255 https://image-ppubs.uspto.gov/dirsearch-public/print/downloa...

mcphage 3y ago

> that line of thinking doesn't seem to justify the R&D spend alone I'm sure they're also looking to use the technologies they develop for this in other products, too.

CharlesW 3y ago

> If I'm not mistaken this is the first properly post-Steve product? Jobs publicly bemoaned the lack of, and presumably thought a lot about, "headphones for video". I think it's a safe bet that he set the stage for Apple Vision (and probably sketched out a 50 year plan) with current Apple leaders before his death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO0OGmNDKVg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO0OGmNDKVg > "You know, the fundamental problem here is that headphones are a miraculous thing. You put on a pair of headphones, and you get the same experience you get with a great pair of speakers, right? > "There's no such thing as headphones for video, right? There's not something I can carry with me that I can put on, and it gives me the same experience I get when I'm watching my 50-inch plasma display at home."

Topfi 3y ago
Yeah, I honestly hadn't thought about those statements in quite a while. Thanks for bringing them back to mind. It makes me ponder whether they had a very rough, early prototype of an FPV display device at that time, and if so, what that looked like. The interviewer briefly mentions what was available at the time, which Steve calls "lousy", so it could also be that he was more fascinated by the inherent concept. As is often the case, I'd give a lot for companies such as Apple to be more open with their ancient prototypes once a new device gets launched. Sometimes brands, such as Microsoft[0] in the console field showcase iterative prototypes or even produce full-on documentaries of their history, but rarely for new device categories. I understand why that's not possible, but still, one can dream. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJYsA1jXf60 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJYsA1jXf60
- rylittle 3y ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/15z92if/apple_won_a_patent_today_covering_their_original/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/15z92if/apple_won_a_...