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There is a fundamental issue with our civilization and species: we have a scant few actual adults. I mean non-immature, non-self exclusively serving individuals

There is a fundamental issue with our civilization and species: we have a scant few actual adults. I mean non-immature, non-self exclusively serving individuals who both care about others and have the capacity to do so beyond their immediate family. Until this issue is recognized en masse, it is going to continue, and as our AI and related automation technologies advance, life is going to significantly degrade for anyone not within the elite economic class.

raziel2p 3y ago
Is this really the core issue? Or is it just that we reward the reckless egoists, so they float to the top?
- bsenftner 3y ago
  Rewarding the reckless egoists is immature, it demonstrates a lack of understanding of the larger system, and by not addressing or acknowledging this issue we get our current situation. Knowing and not fixing is immature.
  - raziel2p 3y ago
    The problem is that the rewarding is systematic and can't really be attributed to a single person (or persons), so calling it immature is really just hitting at strawmen.
    - bsenftner 3y ago
      You disregard too quickly. Just because immaturity is systematic does not erase the fact that immature behavior is radically short sighted and a personal failure to navigate reality.
- dirtybirdnj 3y ago
  The problem is that we have allowed "social skills" to be regarded higher than actual intelligence or technical skills. Social violence is not only tolerated, but encouraged and celebrated. This in my opinion is the most successful terrorist action of our modern era. There was no "cold war" it happened under our noses and we are all living in socially nuclear fallout every day. By allowing the bullshit to float to the top we have excluded any intelligence from the decision making process. Basically we're almost to the point where the computers start firing everyone in Idiocracy.
dirtybirdnj 3y ago
> There is a fundamental issue with our civilization and species: we have a scant few actual adults. I mean non-immature, non-self exclusively serving individuals who both care about others and have the capacity to do so beyond their immediate family. This is it right here. We as a civilization have been so traumatized by the sociopaths and psychopaths that we've just given up an accepted their rule by terror. It doesn't have to be this way. Care about others in the face of their awfulness. The fact that your compassion makes them mad tells you they know they are wrong. They see you as a threat to their ability to freely squeeze the world around them to death. Any amount of fairness to this group feels like persecution. They will only come to their senses when a more powerful force applies the same unpleasant tactics to them. Suddenly, we are all a united force against THAT evil over there... forget what I was doing yesterday...

raziel2p 3y ago

Is this really the core issue? Or is it just that we reward the reckless egoists, so they float to the top?

bsenftner 3y ago
Rewarding the reckless egoists is immature, it demonstrates a lack of understanding of the larger system, and by not addressing or acknowledging this issue we get our current situation. Knowing and not fixing is immature.
- raziel2p 3y ago
  The problem is that the rewarding is systematic and can't really be attributed to a single person (or persons), so calling it immature is really just hitting at strawmen.
  - bsenftner 3y ago
    You disregard too quickly. Just because immaturity is systematic does not erase the fact that immature behavior is radically short sighted and a personal failure to navigate reality.
dirtybirdnj 3y ago
The problem is that we have allowed "social skills" to be regarded higher than actual intelligence or technical skills. Social violence is not only tolerated, but encouraged and celebrated. This in my opinion is the most successful terrorist action of our modern era. There was no "cold war" it happened under our noses and we are all living in socially nuclear fallout every day. By allowing the bullshit to float to the top we have excluded any intelligence from the decision making process. Basically we're almost to the point where the computers start firing everyone in Idiocracy.

dirtybirdnj 3y ago

> There is a fundamental issue with our civilization and species: we have a scant few actual adults. I mean non-immature, non-self exclusively serving individuals who both care about others and have the capacity to do so beyond their immediate family. This is it right here. We as a civilization have been so traumatized by the sociopaths and psychopaths that we've just given up an accepted their rule by terror. It doesn't have to be this way. Care about others in the face of their awfulness. The fact that your compassion makes them mad tells you they know they are wrong. They see you as a threat to their ability to freely squeeze the world around them to death. Any amount of fairness to this group feels like persecution. They will only come to their senses when a more powerful force applies the same unpleasant tactics to them. Suddenly, we are all a united force against THAT evil over there... forget what I was doing yesterday...