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Really disheartened they feel they need to point out "As we move towards a new era, in which AI is playing a transformative role". Fully expecting more AI "fre

Really disheartened they feel they need to point out "As we move towards a new era, in which AI is playing a transformative role". Fully expecting more AI "freemium" garbage to be shoveled into products where I don't want it. Again.

hk__2 3y ago
What’s wrong in this affirmation? Bits of "AI" are already everywhere, we’re just so used to them that we don’t even call them "AI".
- soulofmischief 3y ago
  What's wrong to me is that Jetbrains' product quality has taken a noticeable nosedive at the same exact time they started forcing their AI assistant plugin down people's throats. The plugin can be disabled but not uninstalled, and it attempts to reinstall itself when upgrading the IDE version. Additionally, the latest IDE version has suddenly pushed visual latency while typing into the seconds and broken syntax highlighting / error checking. The layouts now reset each single time I start the IDE, seemingly to always display the AI assistant tab. Plus, the AI assistant is freemium, while forcing itself upon the user. After a short trial, it attempts to convert the user. It has zero respect for whether the user already has Github's copilot installed. The reset layout conspicuously removes the Copilot tab. To top it off, the assistant plugin plain sucks and is not ready to compete with Copilot. Intentional sabotage or not, this is by far the worst feature rollout I've ever seen in their products and it concerns me deeply about the future of Jetbrains. I've had to force downgrade to an early IDE release for now.
  - mns 3y ago
    I've noticed this too. That AI Assistant plugin keeps popping up all the time. I gave up and wanted to use the trial, but that wasn't working, then I noticed they update the thing every 2 days or so. I finally managed to do the trial for 14 days, but now apparently it expired, even though I enabled it last week. Left them feedback that I want to uninstall it, not disable it, got an email with some Jetbrains support URL for my request. Tried to login with my normal account that has the license, it's not working - I need a different account for the support hub. Clicked see as a guest, get Oauth error, as guest access is not allowed.
    - soulofmischief 3y ago
      What a mess. The YouTrack system is quite difficult to parse anyways, there are so many related issues and so many products that I get lost. I haven't even bothered creating an issue around this stuff because it's simply easier and faster to downgrade the product at this time. As a long-time paying customer, this entire rollout has felt insulting.
    - jen20 3y ago
      The latest updates fix updates of the AI plug-in as far as I can tell.
JamesStuff 3y ago
I'm already not keen on the dumbing down of the new editor UI, there is a reason I use JetBrain's products and not vscode...
- beached_whale 3y ago
  My biggest gripe is that they made it difficult to switch between which toolsets/targets by introducing an MRU list. Splitting them was good, but not allowing to just show all of them plus the All tests means the order is always changing and they are going to be several clicks away often.
vouaobrasil 3y ago
I recently found the Zed editor that looked very nice but I uninstalled it the moment I saw it had a GPT-4 console. I want nothing to do with AI. I want to do things with my own mind, the help of other human beings, and I'll try my best not to support AI even though it's encroaching on everything.
- dzhiurgis 3y ago
  That just sounds like anti computers but few decades ago
  - drpossum 3y ago
    Computers are the worst and should be treated with nothing but disdain and trepidation. Just talk with anyone who has worked with computers for more than an hour.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    So? It's still on point. We should have had more caution with computers encroaching everything back then too.
  - vouaobrasil 3y ago
    Not exactly. There is a qualitative distinction: * Computers and other automations never made creative decisions before and were perfect for automating mechanical, rote tasks. Like going through a column of numbers and summing them up, or resizing a folder full of images * AI attempts to make decisions that we would otherwise make creatively: yes, it may not be truly intelligent, but it undeniably makes decisions that, IF we made them, we would use part of our creative brains That is the FUNDAMENTAL distinction between AI and other forms of computing: AI, while not intrinsically different than other forms of computing, attempts to take over our creatively-functioning brains. That is why I am against it. Society needs creatively functioning brains to be healthy, and an amalgamation of AI with humanity will have forseen and unforseen consequences, including a subtle but significant modification of our mental operation to make us forget what it is to be truly human.
0xy 3y ago
JetBrains' AI product didn't even function at first for me. I purchased a plan, opened the pane in JetBrains and it gave me some weird error about my account. A day later, it was working but it was very bad. Would insert code all over the place, would regularly fail, and was just terrible compared to Copilot. I got a refund.
coldtea 3y ago
"Freemium AI crap" is 2023/2024s "Freemium cloud collaboration/storage" crap shoveled into products in the past (of the "Subscribe to the Adobe Creative Suite for $50 + your firstborn/month, and get 5GB free Adobe Cloud storage").
singularity2001 3y ago
Agree with the general sentiment that the AI plugin is the worst thing IntelliJ did in a long while (similar to gradle).
- mike_hearn 3y ago
  Gradle isn't made by JetBrains.
  - singularity2001 3y ago
    neither is AI
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Had it not been for the Android team being big Gradle fans, and it would be used as much as Grails nowadays.
pjmlp 3y ago
Still happily using Eclipse and Netbeans, in what concerns Java development. No AI in sight.

hk__2 3y ago

What’s wrong in this affirmation? Bits of "AI" are already everywhere, we’re just so used to them that we don’t even call them "AI".

soulofmischief 3y ago
What's wrong to me is that Jetbrains' product quality has taken a noticeable nosedive at the same exact time they started forcing their AI assistant plugin down people's throats. The plugin can be disabled but not uninstalled, and it attempts to reinstall itself when upgrading the IDE version. Additionally, the latest IDE version has suddenly pushed visual latency while typing into the seconds and broken syntax highlighting / error checking. The layouts now reset each single time I start the IDE, seemingly to always display the AI assistant tab. Plus, the AI assistant is freemium, while forcing itself upon the user. After a short trial, it attempts to convert the user. It has zero respect for whether the user already has Github's copilot installed. The reset layout conspicuously removes the Copilot tab. To top it off, the assistant plugin plain sucks and is not ready to compete with Copilot. Intentional sabotage or not, this is by far the worst feature rollout I've ever seen in their products and it concerns me deeply about the future of Jetbrains. I've had to force downgrade to an early IDE release for now.
- mns 3y ago
  I've noticed this too. That AI Assistant plugin keeps popping up all the time. I gave up and wanted to use the trial, but that wasn't working, then I noticed they update the thing every 2 days or so. I finally managed to do the trial for 14 days, but now apparently it expired, even though I enabled it last week. Left them feedback that I want to uninstall it, not disable it, got an email with some Jetbrains support URL for my request. Tried to login with my normal account that has the license, it's not working - I need a different account for the support hub. Clicked see as a guest, get Oauth error, as guest access is not allowed.
  - soulofmischief 3y ago
    What a mess. The YouTrack system is quite difficult to parse anyways, there are so many related issues and so many products that I get lost. I haven't even bothered creating an issue around this stuff because it's simply easier and faster to downgrade the product at this time. As a long-time paying customer, this entire rollout has felt insulting.
  - jen20 3y ago
    The latest updates fix updates of the AI plug-in as far as I can tell.

JamesStuff 3y ago

I'm already not keen on the dumbing down of the new editor UI, there is a reason I use JetBrain's products and not vscode...

beached_whale 3y ago
My biggest gripe is that they made it difficult to switch between which toolsets/targets by introducing an MRU list. Splitting them was good, but not allowing to just show all of them plus the All tests means the order is always changing and they are going to be several clicks away often.

vouaobrasil 3y ago

I recently found the Zed editor that looked very nice but I uninstalled it the moment I saw it had a GPT-4 console. I want nothing to do with AI. I want to do things with my own mind, the help of other human beings, and I'll try my best not to support AI even though it's encroaching on everything.

dzhiurgis 3y ago
That just sounds like anti computers but few decades ago
- drpossum 3y ago
  Computers are the worst and should be treated with nothing but disdain and trepidation. Just talk with anyone who has worked with computers for more than an hour.
- coldtea 3y ago
  So? It's still on point. We should have had more caution with computers encroaching everything back then too.
- vouaobrasil 3y ago
  Not exactly. There is a qualitative distinction: * Computers and other automations never made creative decisions before and were perfect for automating mechanical, rote tasks. Like going through a column of numbers and summing them up, or resizing a folder full of images * AI attempts to make decisions that we would otherwise make creatively: yes, it may not be truly intelligent, but it undeniably makes decisions that, IF we made them, we would use part of our creative brains That is the FUNDAMENTAL distinction between AI and other forms of computing: AI, while not intrinsically different than other forms of computing, attempts to take over our creatively-functioning brains. That is why I am against it. Society needs creatively functioning brains to be healthy, and an amalgamation of AI with humanity will have forseen and unforseen consequences, including a subtle but significant modification of our mental operation to make us forget what it is to be truly human.

0xy 3y ago

JetBrains' AI product didn't even function at first for me. I purchased a plan, opened the pane in JetBrains and it gave me some weird error about my account. A day later, it was working but it was very bad. Would insert code all over the place, would regularly fail, and was just terrible compared to Copilot. I got a refund.

coldtea 3y ago

"Freemium AI crap" is 2023/2024s "Freemium cloud collaboration/storage" crap shoveled into products in the past (of the "Subscribe to the Adobe Creative Suite for $50 + your firstborn/month, and get 5GB free Adobe Cloud storage").

singularity2001 3y ago

Agree with the general sentiment that the AI plugin is the worst thing IntelliJ did in a long while (similar to gradle).

mike_hearn 3y ago
Gradle isn't made by JetBrains.
- singularity2001 3y ago
  neither is AI
pjmlp 3y ago
Had it not been for the Android team being big Gradle fans, and it would be used as much as Grails nowadays.

pjmlp 3y ago

Still happily using Eclipse and Netbeans, in what concerns Java development. No AI in sight.