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It's worth thinking about just how much could be accomplished with a device like this even with the theoretical minimum bandwidth. Just one input and output sig

by wilg 3y ago

It's worth thinking about just how much could be accomplished with a device like this even with the theoretical minimum bandwidth. Just one input and output signal, like morse code. If your brain could reliably send and receive text that way. All of a sudden your brain has a built in CLI connected to a computer and the internet. Easily calculate numbers, telepathically communicate with others worldwide, look up anything with AI, etc. That all seems highly doable. Let alone all the other applications with higher bandwidth.

dtx1 3y ago
> Tech Enthusiasts: Everything in my house is wired to the Internet of Things! I control it all from my smartphone! My smart-house is bluetooth enabled and I can give it voice commands via alexa! I love the future! > Programmers / Engineers: The most recent piece of technology I own is a printer from 2004 and I keep a loaded gun ready to shoot it if it ever makes an unexpected noise. I would not want my brain connected to the internet. Imagine giving 4chan the power to fuck with humanities brains on a global scale.
- juunpp 3y ago
  The worst of its kind is the Tech Enthusiast Programmer. They are dangerously naive and have sufficient skill to make that danger real.
- NoPicklez 3y ago
  I know plenty of programmers and engineers that have their own latest homelabs with home assistant controlling everything in their house
  - marssaxman 3y ago
    They'll get better, eventually.
  - roarcher 3y ago
    A lot of that stuff is homebrewed with open source software, at least among the programmers I know. My coworkers who are all in on the latest Nest or Alexa crap tend to be young executive/management types who are overly concerned with "lifestyle". The kind of guys who dress like they're heading to the yacht club straight after work.
- deleted 3y ago
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- dysoco 3y ago
  Sadly this is shifting, I see many young programmers nowadays buying into smart lights, VR, AI, and the whole shebang.
  - lannisterstark 3y ago
    There's nothing wrong with any of them, given they're walled from public access/internet safely. Smart lights with a protocol such as zigbee are lifesaver for example. Doesn't even need internet. Also work with normal switches etc. Also nothing wrong with VR or LLMs either lol.
- preisschild 3y ago
  > Imagine giving 4chan the power to fuck with humanities brains on a global scale. Or even worse: Elon Musk.
  - averageRoyalty 3y ago
    I know we like Musk-bashing in leiu of sport here, but 4chan is objectively worse.
crote 3y ago
That has been possible without brain surgery for decades. This was literally a demonstration by undergrad students when I was visiting a university in 2011 or so. They used one of those "shower caps" you place on your head to sense brain waves.
- wilg 3y ago
  This doesn’t use a “shower cap” though.
  - x86x87 3y ago
    Technically it's sort of a shower cap that's embeded in the skull.
  - falseprofit 3y ago
    The shower cap didn’t use brain surgery though.
    - wilg 3y ago
      Might as well pack it in. The shower cap is enough!
      - amenhotep 3y ago
        You're missing the point entirely, it's not about whether the shower cap is or is not enough. It's about how the shower cap is far less intrusive and dangerous than brain surgery and yet nobody is wearing them. Ergo maybe the most minimally capable version of this technology isn't as revolutionary as you've described.
        wilg 3y ago
        Your idea is that because people aren't walking around wearing these (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Daniel-Lacko/publication/317304476/figure/fig3/AS:614363463426059@1523487072322/EEG-cap-with-gel-based-electrodes-inserted-Photo-by-Chris-Hope-made-available-by-Tim.png https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Daniel-Lacko/publicatio...) that the concept is flawed, rather than needing to be in a different form factor? (Ignoring that the Neuralink device has many different capabilities, including and especially being able to cause brain stimulus, which an EEG cap cannot. And that writing data into the brain is a major component of what I said.)
me_me_me 3y ago
Brains are not computers, they work fundamentally differently. Our brains are have fuzzy inputs and outputs, and are probably closer to quantum computers. You cant plug into its fabric and somehow have a sidebus that does something

by wilg 3y ago

dtx1 3y ago

> Tech Enthusiasts: Everything in my house is wired to the Internet of Things! I control it all from my smartphone! My smart-house is bluetooth enabled and I can give it voice commands via alexa! I love the future! > Programmers / Engineers: The most recent piece of technology I own is a printer from 2004 and I keep a loaded gun ready to shoot it if it ever makes an unexpected noise. I would not want my brain connected to the internet. Imagine giving 4chan the power to fuck with humanities brains on a global scale.

juunpp 3y ago
The worst of its kind is the Tech Enthusiast Programmer. They are dangerously naive and have sufficient skill to make that danger real.
NoPicklez 3y ago
I know plenty of programmers and engineers that have their own latest homelabs with home assistant controlling everything in their house
- marssaxman 3y ago
  They'll get better, eventually.
- roarcher 3y ago
  A lot of that stuff is homebrewed with open source software, at least among the programmers I know. My coworkers who are all in on the latest Nest or Alexa crap tend to be young executive/management types who are overly concerned with "lifestyle". The kind of guys who dress like they're heading to the yacht club straight after work.
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dysoco 3y ago
Sadly this is shifting, I see many young programmers nowadays buying into smart lights, VR, AI, and the whole shebang.
- lannisterstark 3y ago
  There's nothing wrong with any of them, given they're walled from public access/internet safely. Smart lights with a protocol such as zigbee are lifesaver for example. Doesn't even need internet. Also work with normal switches etc. Also nothing wrong with VR or LLMs either lol.
preisschild 3y ago
> Imagine giving 4chan the power to fuck with humanities brains on a global scale. Or even worse: Elon Musk.
- averageRoyalty 3y ago
  I know we like Musk-bashing in leiu of sport here, but 4chan is objectively worse.

crote 3y ago

That has been possible without brain surgery for decades. This was literally a demonstration by undergrad students when I was visiting a university in 2011 or so. They used one of those "shower caps" you place on your head to sense brain waves.

wilg 3y ago
This doesn’t use a “shower cap” though.
- x86x87 3y ago
  Technically it's sort of a shower cap that's embeded in the skull.
- falseprofit 3y ago
  The shower cap didn’t use brain surgery though.
  - wilg 3y ago
    Might as well pack it in. The shower cap is enough!
    - amenhotep 3y ago
      You're missing the point entirely, it's not about whether the shower cap is or is not enough. It's about how the shower cap is far less intrusive and dangerous than brain surgery and yet nobody is wearing them. Ergo maybe the most minimally capable version of this technology isn't as revolutionary as you've described.
      - wilg 3y ago
        Your idea is that because people aren't walking around wearing these (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Daniel-Lacko/publication/317304476/figure/fig3/AS:614363463426059@1523487072322/EEG-cap-with-gel-based-electrodes-inserted-Photo-by-Chris-Hope-made-available-by-Tim.png https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Daniel-Lacko/publicatio...) that the concept is flawed, rather than needing to be in a different form factor? (Ignoring that the Neuralink device has many different capabilities, including and especially being able to cause brain stimulus, which an EEG cap cannot. And that writing data into the brain is a major component of what I said.)

me_me_me 3y ago

Brains are not computers, they work fundamentally differently. Our brains are have fuzzy inputs and outputs, and are probably closer to quantum computers. You cant plug into its fabric and somehow have a sidebus that does something